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Heaven=good and hell=bad, right? (Any religion with a good place and a bad place in the afterlife)

Getsugakure

New Member
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?


I have news for you: There is no such a thing as Hell or Heaven as a place to go to.
Hell or Heaven is but a state of mind we cause to ourselves or to others but here on
earth. These words have been cultivated as places of torment or of bliss by religious
crooks in order to play with people's fears.

Ben
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Heaven or hell are not places. Heaven is a union with God while hell would be a separation from God. From I gather from the Bible is that men separate from God and not vice versa.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I have news for you: There is no such a thing as Hell or Heaven as a place to go to.
Hell or Heaven is but a state of mind we cause to ourselves or to others but here on
earth. These words have been cultivated as places of torment or of bliss by religious
crooks in order to play with people's fears.

Ben

Tell that to Hades... (don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but the power-hungry priests didn't make the concept up; the Greeks had already had the concept)


Here's how it worked in Greek mythology:

Most people went to Asphodel. This is rather like the Hebrew Sheol, as simply a place for the dead. Basically you'd just exist as a shade for eternity.

REALLY bad people went to Tartarus, where you were punished according to what you did. The punishment that really gets to me the most is the one suffered by Tantalus. He killed his son and tried to serve him up to the gods as food, and when they saw what he was doing, they sent him to Tartarus to stand in a pool of clear water with a vine of the finest fruit just in reach; whenever he tried to put his lips to the water it left him so he couldn't drink, and when he tried to reach for the food a wind would blow it to just out of reach.

Heroes and great people went to Elysian, a paradise. If someone was especially good, they got to live again, and if they achieved this honor three times, they went to an island (whose name I forget at the moment) to live forever.
 

Truth_Faith13

Well-Known Member
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?

That is actually a very interesting question....if someone is evil and lives to be bad then why would they want to go to heaven and live in paradise with God? Question is if heaven then became their punishment would you want (as a good person) to share it with them?

So here is another question (just for thought) is there actually a hell? or just a place where everyone "fits"
 

Arch-Angel

The voice of one crying
Here is what Jesus described but you must understand that this was before His death so the place described here is before those on the fiery side of the gulf were cast into Hell. Also note that Hell in the bible is usually referred to as people that will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth".

Passage Luke 16:19-31:

19"There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, who was laid at his gate, full of sores21and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.22And it came to pass that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried.23And in hell, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off and Lazarus in his bosom.24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime received thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and thou art tormented.26And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that they who would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. 27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house,28for I have five brethren, that he may testify unto them lest they also come into this place of torment.29Abraham said unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.30And he said, Nay, father Abraham; but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.31And Abraham said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rose from the dead.'"
 
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Arch-Angel

The voice of one crying
i used this because this was from Jesus and is not believed to be as a parable by scholars but an actual story. there are plenty of other places that describe Hell and Heaven as actual places in the bible, not a state of mind or simple separation of the Almighty.
 

Arch-Angel

The voice of one crying
what kind of Bible are you using that the outcome of Heaven/Hell are non physical places? you would have to dismiss all of revelation since it says that the hole of Hell is opened on earth causing demons in the form of locusts to plague the earth, then you would also have to refuse Heaven since it also says Heaven will descend on earth and the elect will reside and forever be with Lord in the Temple where a sun will not be needed due to His Light. the land of Sheol of the old testament would make no sense because why would Jesus come at all? you would have to completely say Jesus had it wrong, people dont have to weep or gnash they're teeth if Hades(Hell soon to be destroyed by the lake of fire) doesn't exist. without a physical Paradise and a Physical place of torment you would be saying that Jesus, the Apostles, Moses and the Prophets all got it wrong. that is my position because that is the Word of God, not my opinion, what your saying is purely human fabrication.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
All of Revelation is symbolic. I use the same Bible you use, in fact several translations. Can't we just agree to disagree?
 

Arch-Angel

The voice of one crying
yes we disagree, please don't think that im asking these questions in unkindness, hatred or to get puffed up but rather i am only asking these things because it says your religion is Christianity. the book of revelation can be followed with the book of Daniel, many of the same elements of Daniels dream reading apply to revelation that was written by John in a vision. the book is not completely symbolic, although some aspects are...that is why God gave us the dream readers to understand in study. now of course im not saying i know everything about the bible or even how the book of revelation is played out in profecy of today, but you are undermining the Word of God by not taking His Word for it. I am only trying to encourage you to read the Word of God and accept His Truth's as He writes them, not as we disregaurd It if we do not completely understand It.
 

herushura

Active Member
Nope your wrong, heaven = Up - Hell = Down, Heaven and Hell are mysticly places were the Sun Travels, The Sun Rises to the heavens, then from the Heavens the sun decends to Hell
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Its mysterious places, but its real. Both heaven and hell are real. The good news for me is...this earth is hell, and its pretty real, so i dont have to worry, heaven is going to be just as real!

heneni
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?

Absolutely. Heaven will be torture for those that love evil. Which is why god wont drag them in there kicking and screaming.

Heneni
 

herushura

Active Member
Its mysterious places, but its real. Both heaven and hell are real. The good news for me is...this earth is hell, and its pretty real, so i dont have to worry, heaven is going to be just as real!

heneni

Nope Hell according to ancient is Underworld, Underearth, well if you live in the northern hemisphere , the southern hemispere is Hell or the opposite
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Tell that to Hades... (don't get me wrong, I do agree with you, but the power-hungry priests didn't make the concept up; the Greeks had already had the concept)


Here's how it worked in Greek mythology:

Most people went to Asphodel. This is rather like the Hebrew Sheol, as simply a place for the dead. Basically you'd just exist as a shade for eternity.

REALLY bad people went to Tartarus, where you were punished according to what you did. The punishment that really gets to me the most is the one suffered by Tantalus. He killed his son and tried to serve him up to the gods as food, and when they saw what he was doing, they sent him to Tartarus to stand in a pool of clear water with a vine of the finest fruit just in reach; whenever he tried to put his lips to the water it left him so he couldn't drink, and when he tried to reach for the food a wind would blow it to just out of reach.

Heroes and great people went to Elysian, a paradise. If someone was especially good, they got to live again, and if they achieved this honor three times, they went to an island (whose name I forget at the moment) to live forever.


Yes, you are right. Religious crooks copied it from the Greeks, molded it a little to
fit the time and the church, and started fishing in the ponds of ignorance for the naives of this world.

Ben :sad4:
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Nope Hell according to ancient is Underworld, Underearth, well if you live in the northern hemisphere , the southern hemispere is Hell or the opposite

Nope, the entire earth is hell.

I dont think we will agree on this part though.

However, what i have been thinking about is the 'lake of fire'.The bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. Since I believe the earth is hell, the lake of fire can possilbly be the sun.

The bible says that at some point the heavenly bodies will be shaken and people will be frantic and faint with worry. I think that if something had to knock our earth out of its orbit, it might just end up on a collision course with the lake of fire, the sun. But im still thinking about it. The bible is clear on the matter though. The heavenly bodies will be shaken. Stars falling out of the sky, means we wont be able to see stars we have before, which means we will change orbit. The moon not shedding her light, means the moon wont be coming with us, or wont be orbiting around us like she used to....If the sun isnt going to shed her light anymore, then it means we are not in the same orbit as we were before and night and day wont be what it was before. We could be plunged into darkness.

The other 'lake of fire' could be the entire univere out there, since it is loaded with stars, and it is pretty big. It is itself a lake. The earth will eventually become like a ship floating on the sea of the universe, like noah's boat was during the flood. The conditions for survival is limited if at all possilbe. Will those on the earth be able to save themselves?

heneni
 
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