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Heaven=good and hell=bad, right? (Any religion with a good place and a bad place in the afterlife)

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Nope, the entire earth is hell.

I dont think we will agree on this part though.

However, what i have been thinking about is the 'lake of fire'.The bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. Since I believe the earth is hell, the lake of fire can possilbly be the sun.

The bible says that at some point the heavenly bodies will be shaken and people will be frantic and faint with worry. I think that if something had to knock our earth out of its orbit, it might just end up on a collision course with the lake of fire, the sun. But im still thinking about it. The bible is clear on the matter though. The heavenly bodies will be shaken. Stars falling out of the sky, means we wont be able to see stars we have before, which means we will change orbit. The moon not shedding her light, means the moon wont be coming with us, or wont be orbiting around us like she used to....If the sun isnt going to shed her light anymore, then it means we are not in the same orbit as we were before and night and day wont be what it was before. We could be plunged into darkness.

The other 'lake of fire' could be the entire univere out there, since it is loaded with stars, and it is pretty big. It is itself a lake. The earth will eventually become like a ship floating on the sea of the universe, like noah's boat was during the flood. The conditions for survival is limited if at all possilbe. Will those on the earth be able to save themselves?

heneni


Wow Heneni! What a fantastic apocalypse description of the end! Are you some kind of oracle of Delphus?

Anyway, I have heard something like that from the scientific point of view from an Astronomer. But that it will probably take place within another
few millions of years. By then, perhaps, the Jewish People won't be around to prevent it from happening. That's in Jeremiah 31:35-37. Check it out.


Ben :confused:
 

herushura

Active Member
Stars Falling out of the Sky, Stars Decend from the Sky, they dont fall downwards,
The Stars Decend in the Horizon, not the earth

Commonsense
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Wow Heneni! What a fantastic apocalypse description of the end! Are you some kind of oracle of Delphus?

Anyway, I have heard something like that from the scientific point of view from an Astronomer. But that it will probably take place within another
few millions of years. By then, perhaps, the Jewish People won't be around to prevent it from happening. That's in Jeremiah 31:35-37. Check it out.


Ben :confused:

Ben i suggest you pay careful attention to the prophecies of jesus. You have to get your saving plan ready.

Heneni
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Stars Falling out of the Sky, Stars Decend from the Sky, they dont fall downwards,
The Stars Decend in the Horizon, not the earth

Commonsense

commonsense hey? Stars are quite able to fall out of the sky, if they dissapear from the horison, and never return to where they were before.

If the earth changes position, the whole constellation wont look the same as it did before. The stars will still all be there, but they wont be where we are use to seeing them, and so it will look like they have just fallen out of the sky.

Heneni
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
Ben i suggest you pay careful attention to the prophecies of jesus. You have to get your saving plan ready.

Heneni


It doesn't occur to me that Jesus prophesied anything astronomic as that you have
just prophesied. Why don't you quote? In fact, you never quote. I think I have told
already that I find too hard to take people's word for it.

Ben :confused:
 

herushura

Active Member
commonsense hey? Stars are quite able to fall out of the sky, if they dissapear from the horison, and never return to where they were before.

If the earth changes position, the whole constellation wont look the same as it did before. The stars will still all be there, but they wont be where we are use to seeing them, and so it will look like they have just fallen out of the sky.

Heneni

Decend
 

Heneni

Miss Independent

OK....so are we going to make this a linguistic battle. Im sorry but i dont see the MAJOR difference between decend and fall....both cause things to go down. Down under the horison then if you like.

Besides...HE HE...you called jesus the devil in another thread...im still recovering from that!:D Please show me...how jesus=devil. :p, and ill be bothered with whether decend is not = fall.

HENENI
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Greetings!

Several important points for you to consider:

  • First off, Heaven and hell are not places, but conditions: spiritual nearness to God and spiritual remoteness from Him.
  • Second, these aren't just about the Next Life: they also exist here and now, and every one of us is in one or the other at each moment as a function of where our heads are at!
  • And third, it isn't a matter of "being sent" to one or the other because WE OURSELVES place ourselves in either one as the direct result of our own thoughts and actions (and in this life, also have, as I pointed out, the ability to change which one we're in)!
  • Finally, the Baha'i scriptures assert that hell isn't a permanent condition in the Next Life because God, in His infinite Love and Mercy, aids each individual--even those who've placed themselves in the worst of circumstances, eventually to draw nearer to Him and thus ultimately achieve existence in Heaven!
Best! :)

Bruce
 

herushura

Active Member
Greetings!

Several important points for you to consider:

  • First off, Heaven and hell are not places, but conditions: spiritual nearness to God and spiritual remoteness from Him.
  • Second, these aren't just about the Next Life: they also exist here and now, and every one of us is in one or the other at each moment as a function of where our heads are at!
  • And third, it isn't a matter of "being sent" to one or the other because WE OURSELVES place ourselves in either one as the direct result of our own thoughts and actions (and in this life, also have, as I pointed out, the ability to change which one we're in)!
  • Finally, the Baha'i scriptures assert that hell isn't a permanent condition in the Next Life because God, in His infinite Love and Mercy, aids each individual--even those who've placed themselves in the worst of circumstances, eventually to draw nearer to Him and thus ultimately achieve existence in Heaven!
Best! :)

Bruce

When people Say Spirtitual, it makes no sense at all.

The Word in hebrew used for Spirit is Rauch, that litterly means "Breathing"

Spiritual = Breathing
Soul = Breathing animal
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Greetings!

Several important points for you to consider:

  • First off, Heaven and hell are not places, but conditions: spiritual nearness to God and spiritual remoteness from Him.
  • Second, these aren't just about the Next Life: they also exist here and now, and every one of us is in one or the other at each moment as a function of where our heads are at!
  • And third, it isn't a matter of "being sent" to one or the other because WE OURSELVES place ourselves in either one as the direct result of our own thoughts and actions (and in this life, also have, as I pointed out, the ability to change which one we're in)!
  • Finally, the Baha'i scriptures assert that hell isn't a permanent condition in the Next Life because God, in His infinite Love and Mercy, aids each individual--even those who've placed themselves in the worst of circumstances, eventually to draw nearer to Him and thus ultimately achieve existence in Heaven!
Best! :)

Bruce

I have to disagree on the heaven and hell part. Hell is as real as this place ever was. And so is heaven.

But there is another level of understanding which i also agree with that we have an inner journey that is comparable to being in a state of heaven or hell.

My only fear is...that if hell becomes like heaven to you, you might just stay here.

I really do like what the Bahai faith proclaims, and there are many things in the Mormon faith and Buddist faith that are pretty good as well, and they all in actual fact have many similarities between them all. But each religion has its faults. And i guess we are all responsible for what we believe. It could be that those who do not believe in heaven or hell, wont be worse off, since when those who do go to heaven,go, the ones who dont believe in it, wont go, and they wont feel like they missed out either, since they never believed in it. It all works out in the end doesnt it?

Its like people who dont believe that jesus came to save them. If ever there had to be a disaster, they wouldnt want to call on jesus to save them, but instead they will trust themselves to save themselves. And that is fair dont you think? I mean whatever you believe you must be willing to live and follow through with right?

Heneni
 

Arch-Angel

The voice of one crying
Nope, the entire earth is hell.

I dont think we will agree on this part though.

However, what i have been thinking about is the 'lake of fire'.The bible says that hell will be cast into the lake of fire. Since I believe the earth is hell, the lake of fire can possilbly be the sun.

The bible says that at some point the heavenly bodies will be shaken and people will be frantic and faint with worry. I think that if something had to knock our earth out of its orbit, it might just end up on a collision course with the lake of fire, the sun. But im still thinking about it. The bible is clear on the matter though. The heavenly bodies will be shaken. Stars falling out of the sky, means we wont be able to see stars we have before, which means we will change orbit. The moon not shedding her light, means the moon wont be coming with us, or wont be orbiting around us like she used to....If the sun isnt going to shed her light anymore, then it means we are not in the same orbit as we were before and night and day wont be what it was before. We could be plunged into darkness.

The other 'lake of fire' could be the entire univere out there, since it is loaded with stars, and it is pretty big. It is itself a lake. The earth will eventually become like a ship floating on the sea of the universe, like noah's boat was during the flood. The conditions for survival is limited if at all possilbe. Will those on the earth be able to save themselves?

heneni
the lake of fire will be a place not like the created order, and not so close as the sun or universe. everything in existence will be undone because of the sin that contaminated it. i will try to explain biblically

  1. Mathew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  2. Mathew 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  3. Mathew 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
  4. Revelation 20:10-11 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
there will be a new place in which to reside with the Lord, a new Heavens and a new Earth, this is why the lake of fire was cast into the outer darkness, the sins that plagued the earth and the universe were judged and were not allowed into the newly created order but must stay in the place of eternal torment forever.

  1. Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
  2. Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
  3. 2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
i am only asking these things because it says your religion is Christianity

Yes. But I consider it more a faith than a religion. I follow the same Jesus you do, I read the same bible you do. 2 people can see the same thing and see something different. Personally, I don't take something literally out of a book when every else in it is symbolic. I used to believe in a literal hell. I am a Baptist, or at least that is the denomination I went to Church as. The more I study the Bible and the more I pray, the more things seem to come clearly to me. I may be totally wrong, I know, but my opinions are as valid as anyone else's.
We are both Christian- we both believe in Jesus and follow His commands. The only difference is that of hell, as far as I can tell. Let's not make it a big issue. It really doesn't matter that much.
 
This question has been plaguing me for a long time. My friends tell me im both philosophical and insane, which I believe comes hand in hand. But, here's the question: Heaven is a place that is for the good, as a reward, while hell is a place for the evil, as a punishment, right? If you were a bad person, who loved evil in all its nature, would it really be punishment to be sent to hell? Wouldn't Heaven be a punishment to those that love evil?

Well according to Christianity, (which is where I think you are coming from) not all people in Heaven are good and not all people in Hell are evil.

In christian theology Hell is a place of eternal suffering for people who are not Christians (some denominations say only for non-beilievers that could reason for themeselves and had been exposed to Christianity), while Heaven is a place for Christians (or again according to some denominations people that could not reason for themselves, those never exposed to Christianity, and Christians).

You see according to that theology, Ghandi is burnng in hell right now. While Hitler is in heaven (yes Hitler was a Christian).

Seems like it is a pretty evil god to allow such a system to exist in my opinion.
 
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