heaven or hell??

[Muffled]

I will go to the Summerlands, wait, and be reincarnated.

As will I

You could hope that you are reborn before the world ends but there is no gurantee. After that there is no rebirth because people will not be having any children.

 

[*Paul*]

Thankyou for your replies. I believe that there is a heaven and hell. When I was little I went to a catholic school and was made to believe that good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell. But that is totally untrue. I believe that the bible is the truth, but I do find it very hard to understand, and how amazing and interesting it is. How could anyone predict events so long ago that will happen in years to come, and be so accurate? I do believe that if I died now I would go to hell, as you need to be saved by God to go to heaven, and I am scared about going to hell, but I hope that soon I will become saved and become a better person! :badger:

You know Lucy i'd be more than willing to answer your questions any time and try to help you understand but i can only bring you so far, it is between you and God in the end.

 

[Jaymes]

You could hope that you are reborn before the world ends but there is no gurantee. After that there is no rebirth because people will not be having any children.

Running with the assumption reincarnation exists, what makes you think people only reincarnate on earth?

 

[Nanda]

I'll go to wherever I was before I was born. And for just as long.

 

[Katzpur]

Do you believe that when you die you will be going to heaven or hell or somewhere else?

I believe that when I die, I will go to Paradise -- which is not the same place as Heaven -- where I will exist in spirit form until Christ returns, at which time my body will be resurrected, made perfect and immortal and will be reunited with my spirit. At that time, I believe I will stand before God to judged, and then, hopefully, will be received into Heaven.

What are your reasons for your answer?

(1) That's what I've been taught. (2) It makes sense to me. (3) It's scripturally sound.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You could hope that you are reborn before the world ends but there is no gurantee. After that there is no rebirth because people will not be having any children.

I wouldn't mind returning to earth as a wolf.
Also, there is no gurantee "the end" will be any time soon.

 

[Muffled]

Running with the assumption reincarnation exists, what makes you think people only reincarnate on earth?

For the same reason people end up in Hell: ignorance. Of course there is no guarantee that other inhabitable planets are working on a childbirth basis. My guess is that some are and some aren't. Happy searching. Maybe you could be born among the blue skinned people. If the Hindu record is accurate such people exist.

 

[Jaymes]

For the same reason people end up in Hell: ignorance. Of course there is no guarantee that other inhabitable planets are working on a childbirth basis. My guess is that some are and some aren't. Happy searching. Maybe you could be born among the blue skinned people. If the Hindu record is accurate such people exist.

People only end up reincarnated on earth because of ignorance? What?

And what makes you think childbirth is required for reincarnation, again running with the assumption it exists?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Pagans don't tend to subscribe to the 'end of the world' or 'day of judgement' ideas. Those of us who believe in reincarnation don't necessarily believe in linear incarnation, either.

I'm honestly not sure where I'll end up, or if I believe in heaven, hell, the Summerlands (I dislike summer... Maybe the FallLands for me?) or the lack of these things. Because it fits my personal experience during this lifetime, I believe in reincarnation. I think there's a place to rest in between times, though, and that there would ideally be an 'opt out' option if people's souls simply don't want to visit this plane of existence any more.

 

[wwlb08]

I don't believe in heaven and hell. I believe that when we die, we stay in the grave. Until Jesus returns to the earth to set up his kingdom on earth when people will be resurrected and judged. Those that have been obedient servants of God will be given eternal life and a place in the kingdom which will be on earth, ruled over by Jesus from Jerusalem. Those that have not been obedient enough will die (perish).

The reasons I don't believe in going to heaven or hell when we die are
1 - when we die our bodies remain in the grave. Some people believe that our souls then accend to heaven or down to hell. However, there is not one place in the entire Bible where it says the words immortal soul together so how can we go anywhere else when we are dead?
2 - the old testament was originally written in Hebrew. The original word for 'hell' in the old testament is sheol and sheol appears 65 times in the old testament. 31 times as hell, 31 times as grave and 3 times as pit. It literally means a covered place. All hell is referring to in the old testament is the grave. In the new testament, (which was originally written in Greek) there are two words that are translated as hell. The first is hades. This is the Greek equivalent to sheol and also means the 'grave'. The second is the greek word 'gehenna'. This literally means 'the valley of the son of Hinnom'. In 2 Kings 23:10, it refers to the occasion when Josiah got rid of the ritual which some men used to take part in where they offered up their children to their god molech by making them pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom. The valley of the son of Hinnom was made a rubbish dump where bodies of criminals and rubbish was dumped. There was so much fuel being put into this valley that the fires were continally burning which is why in Mark 9:43-48 (where it refers to hell(gehenna) and hell(gehenna) fire) the phrase 'where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched' is repeated three times. Hell in this instance is not a place of eternal torment as many think of it. It is just a location in the earth where fires continually burned and because of the rotting bodies, 'their worm dieth not'.

 

[Muffled]

People only end up reincarnated on earth because of ignorance? What?

And what makes you think childbirth is required for reincarnation, again running with the assumption it exists?

I am not sure what you are asking about this. Reincarnation provides people with a life and another opportunity for salvation. A person who knows how to get to Heaven doesn't need reincarnation.

Reincarnation is return to a human body. There are only two possibilities rebirth or possession and the latter is an abomination because it is stealing a life.

 

[Jaymes]

I am not sure what you are asking about this. Reincarnation provides people with a life and another opportunity for salvation. A person who knows how to get to Heaven doesn't need reincarnation.

Okay, that's your opinion. I know many people here and elsewhere think rebirth isn't for salvation.

Reincarnation is return to a human body. There are only two possibilities rebirth or possession and the latter is an abomination because it is stealing a life.

Still running with the assumption that rebirth exists, why can a human spirit only return to a human body? Why not an animal body? Or a plant body?

 

[michel]

Do you believe that when you die you will be going to heaven or hell or somewhere else?

What are your reasons for your answer?

I hope, somewhere else; I am pretty sure I am not ready for heaven..and I would rather give the other place a miss (lol I don't believe in hell).

I don't know whether I will be reborn straight away, or will spend some time "in limbo" waiting for my "next posting".

The reason for my answer? - I believe in reincarnation.

 

[blueman]

As much as many would like to believe this is a much grayer issue, I tend to believe that it is more black and white than we can even imagine. It is simply a matter of choice based on the decision we make as a result of the free will God has provided to us. Heaven and Hell are real destinations. I believe there is no middle ground.

 

[Mister_T]

Hmmmm.....Ultimately only God can decide that but anyways,

What I think:
I'm a bit of a loner regarding what I believe about an after life, I think. I believe in God but I think we all just cease to exist (oblivion). Although the jury is not completely out on that one.

What I want:
Paradise, Heaven, Nirvana, Valhalla, etc. with friends and family and all beings who share love.

What most people of my religion origin think:
Hell. But hey, I always enjoyed a good barbeque
:grill:

 

[evYugi]

The answer is simple. I duno.

 

[autonomous1one1]

Hi!

In the Baha'i view, Heaven and hell are spiritual conditions (nearness to / separation from God), not places.....
............
Best,
Bruce

Greetings. I didn't realize that the Baha'i view was such, Bruce, but my thoughts agree with it. For me, heaven and hell are for the living. Bouggle, if you are still with us, there are a number of threads on heaven & hell. For example, if you are interested more on this view can be found at: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44152&page=2&highlight=hell

 

[logician]

Do you believe that when you die you will be going to heaven or hell or somewhere else?

What are your reasons for your answer?

I believe as an atheist that when you die, you're dead, and end up either buried, cremated, or whatever. Better make it count now.

 

[Muffled]

Okay, that's your opinion. I know many people here and elsewhere think rebirth isn't for salvation.[/color][/color]
Still running with the assumption that rebirth exists, why can a human spirit only return to a human body? Why not an animal body? Or a plant body?

There is only Biblical evidence for rebirth in a human body.

I am sure ther are those who believe rebirth is for Karma but God does not have to balance the scales. If a person is reborn Karma plays a significant role in determining what that life will be like.

 

[Super Universe]

Assuming Hell even exists, thats where I'm headed.
I've said one too many blasphemeis, methinks.

You're forgiven. You've always been forgiven. Even if you don't believe, you're still forgiven.