lostwanderingsoul
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Just an example, grave, tomb, final resting place all mean the same thing.
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Hell in the Abrahamic System
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Hell doesn't exist, except possibly if you want to refer to conscious suffering during this life using that term.
It is back then a Pharisaic fundamental concept which dominated the Jews. The concept is not denied by Jesus but made use by Him.
By Josephus who is a Pharisee (more open minded though), with his answer to the Greek on the difference between a Greek version hell and a Jewish version hell.
An Extract Out of Josephus’ Discourse to the Greeks Concerning Hades:
Hades is a place in the world not regularly finished; a subterraneous region, wherein the light of this world does not shine; from which circumstance, that in this region the light does not shine, it cannot be but there must be in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners.
In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon all men; when the unjust, and those that have been disobedient to God, and have given honor to such idols as have been the vain operations of the hands of men as to God himself, shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment
Muffled
Jesus in me
I do not believe so. Hell was part of creation. Since God knows in the beginning , the end then it no doubt was prepared for those who would be sent there.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe sheol is the grave and is mistranslated as Hell. It is only the grave in Norse Myth and not fully the lake of fire there either.
I believe spirits are not destroyed.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Heaven and Hell are on earth and they affect the living. Our lives are either heavenly or hellish. Human society.After death, we are no longer humans.
I believe Heaven is outside the time sphere and certainly not on earth which is in the time sphere. Hell is not on earth; it is inside it.
lostwanderingsoul
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What does Mathew 10:28 mean when it says we should fear him who can destroy both body and soul. You do not believe destroy means destroy? How would you interpret it?
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Something I found in The Zohar regarding Abaddon:
It's at the end of 3:285b and continues in 3:286a.
וְתָאנָא, מַאן דְּנָחִית לַאֲבַדּוֹן
דְּאִקְרֵי תַּחְתִּית, לָא סָלִיק לְעָלְמִין. וְהַהוּא אִקְרֵי גֶּבֶר
דְּאִשְׁתְּצֵי וְאִתְאֲבִיד מִכֻּלְּהוּ עָלְמִין ( source - sefaria.com )
Here's my best attempt at translating it:
It has been taught, what descends to Abaddon is called the lowest, does not ascend to everlasting. He is called a man in the lowest and is lost to all everlasting.
The English translation from Stanford University Press has some additional details in the footnotes on this. I can type it out if there's interest.
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