No. I think they can only be experienced before one's physical body expires. Or more accurately, while one exists in human form.
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Hell is not a physical place (I think)
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No. I think they can only be experienced before one's physical body expires. Or more accurately, while one exists in human form.
cataway
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it is ,or was . some guy bought the town and changed the name to gayhell
It is true that Hell is not a physical place, but it is a place (not just a state) on another plane (or as some people may prefer another dimension). So you can indeed experience hell while alive. Very few people can experience heaven while in a physical body. You can read more about heaven and hell in Heaven, Hell and the AfterLife
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Since no one knows for sure, it's all up to what we believe. I think rebirth or heaven is good, so we don't have to be sad about our loved ones dying, but that's kind of the human condition. I don't believe hell is real though, although some think it's a place of cleansing temporarily, not of punishment. I can get on board with that. Maybe Heaven is just merging with god/universal soul, etc. Nice thoughts.
In the Bible it says that Christ was ‘in heaven’ at the same time He walked upon the earth.
John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.
We Baha’is believe hell is to be far from God and heaven is to be near Him.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Wait, seriously???
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
They probably have awesome parties though. Well, to each his or her own I suppose.
Psalm23
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If we look at this road sign from Norway
Hell is in Norway
Yes I live in Norway
Hmm.. welcome to Hell?
Interesting. Is that a city in Norway?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
It is a small town yesHmm.. welcome to Hell?
Interesting. Is that a city in Norway?
cataway
Well-Known Member
hell by my definition means a place of destruction. if you were eaten by a animal, perhaps a huge fish you would be destroyed by digestion . if you were to die and your relatives had a hole dug ,put you dead body into the hole and then cover you with dirt . the earth would in time destroy your body.
its not something you are looking forward to . for that reason, its hated . not by the dead but the living . with the thought that some day you will go out of existence befuddles the living . then stories are made up for the simple reason that no one wants to believe that death is the end
its not something you are looking forward to . for that reason, its hated . not by the dead but the living . with the thought that some day you will go out of existence befuddles the living . then stories are made up for the simple reason that no one wants to believe that death is the end
It has three phases:
This world (most people don't see it though it encompasses them, they are blind to it)
After death (more vivid, but only to those who retained their spiritual vision, and Angels who are beautiful will appear ugly to the blind to God's light and the hateful towards his unseen signs)
Day of judgment (full reality is in view, there is no doubt, and it's full reality takes place, the blindness of disbelievers will not be to God being truth but towards his beauty and glory, they will be veiled from his unseen beauty and glory, and their prayers will all be in err because it's too selfish at this point)
On the day of judgment, only then will everyone be sure of truth, and there will be no averting God's punishment on this day and no way to change your path if God's judgment is such that you are condemned there. Everyone going to hell will be sure of punishment and that they deserve it.
wellwisher
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Heaven and Hell is connected to how the natural human brain learned to deal with knowledge of good and evil, which is not natural to the brain. When the brain writes to memory, it adds emotions tags; limbic system, to sensory content; cerebral. Our memory has both sensory content and emotional valence. This is useful for the animal brain. If they have a similar experience, that triggers memory, they can act on the attached feeling, without having to reason it through. For example, if a new but unknown food object smells like other food in memory and they get a good feeling from that memory, they will eat. In terms of humans, our strongest memories have the strongest feeling tone; marriage, birth if a child, trauma, etc.
Knowledge of good and evil or law was an unnatural wild card in terms of animal memory. To know the law one needs to know the path to avoid; evil, and the path that is good. The problem with this is this type of connected memory; good and evil, has two conflicting emotional tags; fear and attraction. Animals can love or hate with one tag for each situation. Two conflicting tags for one legal situation is not natural and creates a dam or repression.
If you love or you hate someone, you will approach them due to love or runaway due to hate; respectively. But if you both love and hate someone, at the same time, you can neither fully approach them or fully run away from them. One is stuck in a type of orbit or limbo. Knowledge of good and evil created repressions in the natural brain; orbits. It was good for developing the brain in new ways; first modern humans.
The brain will attempt to lower the potential of these dams and repressions, but since knowledge of good and evil is constantly reinforced by culture via punishment and reward, the repression is reinforced. What the natural brain did was repress half of the two sided coin, making the good or the evil more conscious. Like a coin the other side was hidden or became more unconscious. The self righteous may see themselves as good, but may do evil in the name of good; too judgmental and angry. The latter is from the unconscious dynamics in the flip side of the connected law or good and evil coin.
Heaven and Hell is connected to two different memory grids being used to express the two sides of the coin. These are separated by two ranges of emotional valances; conscious and unconscious. All the evil data from learned or known laws and traditions become stored in the unconscious location; Hell. Heaven is more conscious and stores all the good memories from law and knowledge of good and evil. These are segregated by the potential created by the attached emotional valances. When we think of heaven the feelings are soft and blissful and all the memories with these tags fill in the landscape. Hell is more connected to all the memories with fear, hate, punishment, pain, etc.
These are real in the sense of having data storage locations in the brain. Hell is the place where there is valance of pain, fear, anger, etc., dark side of the law or our knowledge of good and evil. This consolidation of memory can become active as a subroutine; Satan; ends justifies the means or evil in the name of good. Since we all learn the same basic laws and rules of good and evil, these memory locations become collective and are described as common places. The ancients saw the software problem in the natural brain's operating system.
Jesus did way with law, with the forgiveness of sin, in an attempt to heal the polarization. Love your enemies was designed to replace dark side emotional tags connected to enemies, with neutralizing tags that so the natural brain can reappear; tree of life.
cataway
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did away with law ?? did you mean to say he fulfill what the law required ?
wellwisher
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In the Garden of Eden, God never endorsed law or the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Instead he made it a focal point to tell Adam and Eve to avoid law or avoid the polarizing nature of perception, that will created by knowledge of good and evil. We now take this polarization, as a fact of nature. But in reality it is not natural but it is reproduced each generation through learned behavior that builds on tradition. We condition each other to have polarized perception.
God told Adam he could choose any other path of wisdom; eat of any other tree. Only law or the tree of knowledge of good and evil was taboo. That was the tree that was preferred by Satan, not God. For filling the law, under these starting conditions would mean satisfying Satan, not God. God would have been more satisfied, if this path had been avoided, not if you become good at what he did not condone and which can never lead to perfection.
Why would God be happy if you did something, the best you can, based on something he never endorsed? On the other hand, if you do away with the law, entirely, you are back to step one, where better option reappears; eat of that tree that God wanted for you; tree of life. Now God would be happy, since all his creation is now on the same page, again.
Doing away with law is a scary prospect which is why this is never interpreted this way. The reason is the internal polarization crested by law will need to time to heal itself. The potential created by law has to de-potentiate, requiring the dark side run its course. Violation will increase which makes everyone afraid; old polarization still talking. The result is new law keeps being added back and the polarization is repressed.
The tree of life is similar to natural instinct, but with advanced human animals in mind. As Paul said, "it is not yes and no; law, but it is yes in him; instinct. The tree of life is not a two sided coin like law, but has one side like a ball. it is the same at all angles. The tree of life can create heaven on earth, since faith and instinct will motivate one to do only things that edify you. All your new and old memories have happy feeling tags, but without the polarizing baggage of evil, found in knowledge of good and evil. Doing away with law heals the brain and allows the tree of life to become conscious.
The main problem with law, is law is often subjective. This is why marijuana is legal in some places but not in other places. You can arbitrarily assign good or evil to either way. Laws can made by shady Politicians; dictators, who can define law to benefit themselves. Law does not have to based on objective criteria.
One group of politicians say we need to wear masks and the other groups say we do not. Good and evil can be interchanged leading to mush for brains. Even the Supreme Court, full of people who should be experts of law, can see things in t two or more different ways. It would be better if we had an objective system of knowledge that was consistent and reliable. However, laws of God are hard to find due to laws of man. Tree of life avoids this since all impulses are creative and are reinforced by positive valence. Animals are not polarized.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
It is a small town yes
That Hell would be Hell for me. Too cold!
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Hell can be both cold or warm
The state of mind called hell is when we feel completely miserable and hate everything around us.
The place call Hell in Norway is actually a beautiful place, so not a real Hell
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Hell can be both cold or warm
The state of mind called hell is when we feel completely miserable and hate everything around us.
The place call Hell in Norway is actually a beautiful place, so not a real Hell
I know it is breathtakingly beautiful and a lovely country to live in. I would just have to wear three parkas, four pairs of socks, two hats, etc to be comfortable.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
The coldest weather we had this winter where I live was -18 celsius
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Wow, it was colder than that when I lived in IL. If it's a dry cold, I don't mind. My winters in CO were not too bad.