Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I can't speak for your experiences but I do see people changing from the inside out when they pickup their hell free ticket.
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Hell would not teach us anything
- Thread starter quadman19
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I can't speak for your experiences but I do see people changing from the inside out when they pickup their hell free ticket.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Oh, I agree. They often become even more self-righteous and adamant about their ignorance and fears.
Wow not unreasonable at all!
Why is it so? If the world just "happened to come together" by sheer hapenstance - the right "ingredients being in the right place at the right time" - surely the chances of the monkey writing the works of Shakespeare are no lesser than what you believe in.
OK, let's make it less "difficult" - show me a man who can create a living creature from scatch he would have to amanufacture every single component of life without using anything that already exists.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Could it be possible that you mistake assurance for self-righteousness? They didn't produce the key themselves, they got it from someone else.
Skwim
Veteran Member
I know idav can speak for himself, but just to fill you in until he does; it's "unreasonable
" because it's asinine. And it's asinine because you've arbitrarily selected a goal you know is impossible, yet expect us to accept it as reasonable. We're not as dumb as you sound here. In any case, go ahead and believe whatever you like, just don't try to get it into the public school systems.
Vendetta
"Oscar the grouch"
Man of Faith I find any Christian who meets a non-Christian ask "are you saved?" To me, not only is it presumptuous of any person to proclaim they are saved but it does amount to as being self-righteous.
First off hell to me is living homeless with bacteria, stress, drugs, and STD. Or having a schizophrenic episode where you hear voices to kill people. I don't see the point of any god punishing a good human being who just doesn't believe in religion, or someone who is an apostate who just didn't find any spiritual clarity in that religion. There is no reason why Jesus should punish me for all eternity all because I don't believe in his religion when, Crusaders and KKK have done more harm against humanity than I der could. Muslims believe similarly if I do not proclaim believe in one God, Allah and his prophet.
I mean, if I live my life and be kind to humans and just be myself and be respectful to the laws of the land (even to small creatures) are you, man of faith, saying according to your faith that, me going to hell is just?
First off hell to me is living homeless with bacteria, stress, drugs, and STD. Or having a schizophrenic episode where you hear voices to kill people. I don't see the point of any god punishing a good human being who just doesn't believe in religion, or someone who is an apostate who just didn't find any spiritual clarity in that religion. There is no reason why Jesus should punish me for all eternity all because I don't believe in his religion when, Crusaders and KKK have done more harm against humanity than I der could. Muslims believe similarly if I do not proclaim believe in one God, Allah and his prophet.
I mean, if I live my life and be kind to humans and just be myself and be respectful to the laws of the land (even to small creatures) are you, man of faith, saying according to your faith that, me going to hell is just?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Nope. I'm extremely good at reading peoples' attitudes and motivations.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Jail is there, in theory, to deter and to reform. Anything else would merely be revenge, a crude, emotional goal.
Justice does not rely on emotion. The ideal judicial process purges emotion, and is left with pure, objective logic.
And that logic, in turn, renders punishment of any sort nonsensical. That is because there is always a "because;" People do things for a reason, and eventually you trace the reasons back to something they do not control. People are not responsible for their own personalities or circumstances, and those two factors alone lead to their decisions.
Welcome, Quadman. Nice choice of first thread 
The problem with Hell:
You get the lesson after you've failed the final exam.
You get the lesson after you've failed the final exam.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
So, it's kind of like much of life.
I suppose if God shared your views on this matter, then it would make perfect sense to all believers. The question is, does He?
Indeed. Such a monster would not be worthy of our acceptance, and should be opposed by everyone, stripped of his power if possible, and killed if necessary.
Bingo.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Good point. There is an apparent absence of evidence in many religious teachings, and in life itself, of the existence of a forgiving, loving, or just god.
But the punishment is eternal & more severe.
Hmmmm.....doesn't make sense, does it?
I just can't believe that a supreme being would think that way....let alone even care what we pissantic humans are up to.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
You need to think smaller and pettier.
waitasec
Veteran Member
Come on... I'm tired of hearing people put us down so. If not us pissantic humans, then who?