Here is a good one I believe

[savagewind]

Peace Pilgrim: Because I talk about spiritual truth, and spiritual truth should never be sold - those who sell it injure themselves spiritually....
"Those who attempt to buy spiritual truth are attempting to get it before they are ready. In this wonderfully well-ordered universe, when they are ready it will be given...."

From ---- https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/

Mildred Norman Ryder better known as Peace Pilgrim born Mildred Lisette Norman, was an American non-denominational spiritual teacher, mystic, pacifist, vegetarian activist and peace activist. July 18, 1908 - July 7, 1981


Man keeps on attempting to teach it to those not ready. Some people even use threats to get others to believe as they do. Some threats men use are hell fire and death by God at Armegeddon. But I believe peace can be learned only when a person is ready to learn it. Threats of violence will never teach real peace. The prayers of those who have learned peace is far more powerful for peace than is the threat of destruction.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

From ---- https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/

Mildred Norman Ryder better known as Peace Pilgrim born Mildred Lisette Norman, was an American non-denominational spiritual teacher, mystic, pacifist, vegetarian activist and peace activist. July 18, 1908 - July 7, 1981


Man keeps on attempting to teach it to those not ready. Some people even use threats to get others to believe as they do. Some threats men use are hell fire and death by God at Armegeddon. But I believe peace can be learned only when a person is ready to learn it. Threats of violence will never teach real peace. The prayers of those who have learned peace is far more powerful for peace than is the threat of destruction.

Prayers vs violence is one measure. What are your opinions on the power of prayer versus stable, democratic, constitutional government? Which is more effective in promoting peace?

 

[savagewind]

Prayers vs violence is one measure. What are your opinions on the power of prayer versus stable, democratic, constitutional government? Which is more effective in promoting peace?

I am sure I was referring to prayers of peace versus threats. I suppose when the time comes that a government arises that never uses threats I'll be able to answer that. For now it remains an unknown I suppose.

 

[savagewind]

Peace is one of the good and perfect gifts from above. It is a fruit of The Spirit of God. It is a free gift to be received. Government has been able to protect a person's right to peace but it doesn't make, give or keep it for the person.

Is that what you think a stable, democratic, constitutional government is for? Is it for teaching peace?

 

[savagewind]

What I see are organizations teaching peace with threats of violence. How does that work please?

 

[John Karter]

Good ask, Savegewind)

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I am sure I was referring to prayers of peace versus threats. I suppose when the time comes that a government arises that never uses threats I'll be able to answer that. For now it remains an unknown I suppose.

Hmmm...you'd need to define 'threats' I suppose. Who has Lichtenstein threatened of late? Or Vanuatu?

 

[oldbadger]

From ---- https://sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/

Mildred Norman Ryder better known as Peace Pilgrim born Mildred Lisette Norman, was an American non-denominational spiritual teacher, mystic, pacifist, vegetarian activist and peace activist. July 18, 1908 - July 7, 1981


Man keeps on attempting to teach it to those not ready. Some people even use threats to get others to believe as they do. Some threats men use are hell fire and death by God at Armegeddon. But I believe peace can be learned only when a person is ready to learn it. Threats of violence will never teach real peace. The prayers of those who have learned peace is far more powerful for peace than is the threat of destruction.

Good morning, Savage.....

Interesting thread.... years ago I discovered that if I filled bags up with my possessions and then took them to the charity shop, or sold them, or handed items out to neighbours...... that I always felt exhilarated, free, contented and more happy. That's why, with a very few exceptions, my individual possessions have to be 'tools' of some sort of other. This 4.5"x 7.5" net-book which I am using is a 'tool', for instance.... And so I can just about begin to identify with people who discard everything and 'go free'.

These people often die young. They usually receive much less help than Mildred did, although she did not reach any great age either. They are banned from most shops and canteens because they have no money. If they travel they are constantly reported by passers-by and stopped by police. Because they are not registered it is harder for them to receive medical care, etc....... And they are treated as pariahs by most communities.

Winter time takes a significant proportion of them every year. Because I know a lot of them I sometimes, just sometimes, find out about their deaths in time to discover where their funerals will be held and go.

Their lives are sometimes enriched with an extraordinary inner peace, but for many their lives are violent and utterly terrifying, because they often take severe beatings in back streets or even in the woodlands where they hide out. Their lives are just like those of sparrows, one day here and 'just bout' coping, the next ripped to pieces ........

Now........ What kind of government and system do you want for your country? Some? None? A judicial system? Policing? Tokens for easy exchange of goods or man-hours?

I don't care if religion dissipates, because many of the most spiritual people I know belong to none. What would you like, though?

What do you want?

 

[savagewind]

Now........ What kind of government and system do you want for your country? Some? None? A judicial system? Policing? Tokens for easy exchange of goods or man-hours?

I don't care if religion dissipates, because many of the most spiritual people I know belong to none. What would you like, though?

What do you want?

What do I want? I am learning to not want. Some people say Psalms 23 vs 1 says because Jehovah YHVH is my shepherd "I shall lack nothing". They say it means that trust in YHVH means YHVH will provide you everything you need. But I have seen people who do not trust in God provided for. I don't come from a rich family but I see that all my unbelieving family always have enough food and shelter. What most people don't have is friends enough. I don't think it is friends I want. I want to be a friend.

I think Psalms 23 means what it says "I shall not want". The Hebrew word is "lack" so many Bibles are saying it means trusting in YHVH will mean there won't be anything to want. And that expression is reflected on the world, isn't it? People make up all kinds of crazy things that they want. And many people never are satisfied with enough.

I think Psalm 23:1 means teach me to be satisfied with the provisions God has supplied and will supply.

If it means what they say it means then God becomes a provider for things made up in the mind. Don't you see people asking God for all kinds of things? There are eight million people I know asking Jehovah for The World.

What do I want? Human kind is likened to the sea. Many people wanting many things is stirring up the sea. I want the sea to agree enough is enough. What will it take? People believe the Bible says it will take mass destruction. If that happens Psalm 23:1 flies away. Then it will become Jehovah providing everything and Psalm 23:1 will become what they say it means. Won't it?

2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
Phillipians 4:9 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 6:8 Young's Literal Translation
but having food and raiment -- with these we shall suffice ourselves;

The Church is not like that, is it? I am not like that either. But I don't TEACH YHVH fills all lack. I believe it is me who desires and me who seeks to fill desire. So I practice what I believe is the real meaning of Psalm 23:1.

They are teaching it is YHVH who desires the world (or heaven) for you and YHVH who will make it happen.

Government? I believe as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe Heaven is God's government. I believe Heaven is real and lasting.

If The Church had not deviated the sea would have become calm.

Isn't it true that desire is planted with an advertising? The Church was for advertising peace. The Church was taken over by man's desire. Now The Church is advertising war and destruction, isn't it?

I do not know that Christianity can be saved. Of course I want it to be.

 

[savagewind]

If a message comes to you garbled, what happens? Nothing but confusion happens. Right? What is The Bible name for it?

 

[savagewind]

Anyone who believes The Bible knows Jehovah uses people for a demonstration. It is one reason that judging is wrong.* Some people claim they know what Jehovah is doing and will do. I don't. Do you?

*this, I am sure, requires it's own thread. I'm not getting into it. Simply put to me it doesn't seem right to judge what God demonstrates good or bad. I am not so bold. Or stupid.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Peace is one of the good and perfect gifts from above. It is a fruit of The Spirit of God. It is a free gift to be received. Government has been able to protect a person's right to peace but it doesn't make, give or keep it for the person.

Is that what you think a stable, democratic, constitutional government is for? Is it for teaching peace?

I wonder now if you are talking about inner peace.
I think a stable, democratic, constitutional government promotes peace within a nation's borders. That's about as far as I'd go. From my point of view that is far more than prayer achieves, although we come at that from different angles, I imagine.

 

[savagewind]

I wonder now if you are talking about inner peace.
I think a stable, democratic, constitutional government promotes peace within a nation's borders. That's about as far as I'd go. From my point of view that is far more than prayer achieves, although we come at that from different angles, I imagine.

I think inner peace must be accomplished first before societal peace. But I have high hopes societal peace is possible.

I do not know about any government promoting peace. Any government I know of promotes security. I do not believe security is real. And it promotes weapons manufacture which is opposite of peace.

 

[oldbadger]

But I have seen people who do not trust in God provided for.

Hi....again...
Provided for? Provided with what?
And who knows which other people truly trust in God?
'In Domino confide' can be whispered, or even just 'thought', by the apparent agnostic passing you on the pavement. We do not even know ourselves, let alone anybody else.

I want to be a friend.

So do I, but first I need to be a friend to myself, and I need to be honest with myself, and trusting in myself, and then, only then, will I have a chance to go and find God. It's just taking me a long time. :yes:

I think Psalms 23 means what it says "I shall not want". The Hebrew word is "lack" so many Bibles are saying it means trusting in YHVH will mean there won't be anything to want. And that expression is reflected on the world, isn't it? People make up all kinds of crazy things that they want. And many people never are satisfied with enough.

I shall not want.... does not mean that you shall have everything... it means that you shall have ......nothing! ..... and need.... nothing.

Don't you see people asking God for all kinds of things? There are eight million people I know asking Jehovah for The World.

Then pray for them..... personally I think that they are on the wrong track, and that their world would be a difficult place for me to live in.... but still, pray for them.

What do I want? Human kind is likened to the sea. Many people wanting many things is stirring up the sea. I want the sea to agree enough is enough. What will it take?

That's a big want...... how about starting out with something smaller, something that you (or I) could achieve? I don't care how much other people get any more...... or how much they have. I need to sort 'me' out.

2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
Phillipians 4:9 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.
1 Timothy 6:8 Young's Literal Translation
but having food and raiment -- with these we shall suffice ourselves;

Yeshua didn't say those things......

Government? I believe as the Jehovah's Witnesses believe Heaven is God's government. I believe Heaven is real and lasting.

If The Church had not deviated the sea would have become calm.

So..... you could leave that Church. I no longer belong to any church, but feel free to enter any....... even when I see lots of posh cars outside. :yes:

Isn't it true that desire is planted with an advertising? The Church was for advertising peace. The Church was taken over by man's desire. Now The Church is advertising war and destruction, isn't it?

You don't have to support it. Yeshua was not about building churches. Thomas pointed that out.

I do not know that Christianity can be saved. Of course I want it to be.

I am not a Christian, but think about Yeshua quite a bit, these days.