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Here is an interesting article about perhaps why God allows evil to exist

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God could've created humans all upon the path guaranteed without misguidance. In fact, he could've created us all things as Angels (spirits that worship God sincerely), and make Adam (a) and the Rulers (a) into Angels that are even more brighter and luminous and powerful in capabilities. He could've avoided human and physical existence.

In fact, I believe God first wanted us all to be Angels, everything in universe. But when Angels started getting full of themselves and arrogant, God could've kept them on course, but their worship would be of little meaning. So he tried them by Adam (a) to humble them and take away vanity from their hearts. They being highly capable of intellectual prediction, argued with God, that humanity would be a bad idea. It would cause bloodshed potentially.

But God went with it, because the alternative, is that they would worship God but not in a meaningful way. He could've just destroyed Satan but then all of creation if God would not allow others to interfere and lead astray, would worship God out of fear of consequence that is too visible.

Fearing and hoping in God is worthy only if to some degree God is Unseen. Virtue reward can't be too obvious. Hidden we have to be even from ourselves.

God knows the hidden us, and is bringing out trials. This world could've been avoided if his elite Adam (a) did what was expected of him. Adam (a) was truthful and so when Iblis swore by God, he honestly believed in him. He forgot the true God and his guidance because of that. But he didn't do it out of hate or hostility to God and his envy of the blessed tree of light Mohammad (s) and his family (a) which was the metaphorical eating of it, was not out hate towards them, but wanting to reach their station. This too was below his dignity and it was expected that this elite soul at the time of peril would've turned to God through them and reached for help and clarification. But he was deluded and deceived by what Iblis said, and believed in the lie, till he sought the station of perpetual authority - which was the station of Mohammad (s) and his family (a). He sought to reach them and go beyond them, only for it to cause him to fall.

But when he realized his sin, he didn't start accusing them or their God, nor disbelieved, but returned quickly to the path.

Iblis ate his curse and went further astray in time.

Adam (a) truthfulness that made him believe in Iblis will benefit Adam (a) but Iblis will never benefit from the lies he made up.

At the end, the world trials, are for one thing only. To see which one of us will be true to God, the chosen guides, and ourselves. Truthfulness will win at the end, even though, it causes naivety at the start.

Adam (a) was not fooled twice. It's okay to fall, but not to remain satisfied in our stench of sins.

Diseases, and other things, keep us on our toes. We can die any time. With remembrance of death, there is ease from evil, sincerity to God and rescue from Satan the enemy.

As for the conflict between truth and falsehood, it's not that the truth is unclear, but that it takes spiritual battle and psychic warfare to break away from the locks of Genies of Iblis and the sorcerers who follow these cursed beings.

With some prayer, reliance on God's light and holy spirit - that is the leader of our time - the guide - the chosen from the humans to lead all creation back to God of our time, what is difficult becomes easy.

With God's Name - the hard becomes easy, the almost impossible probable and almost guaranteed. Doors open up and a reality of unseen journey we can never expect before embarking on it - and can't imagine it's pleasures before experiencing it open up.

God is the light of those in the darkness still.
 

Wandering Monk

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Wouldn't it be less complex to say suffering exists because of the nature of the universe rather than trying to get inside God's (which god, btw?) to figure out what God was thinking when he let it happen?
 

Stevicus

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I sometimes look at the problem of evil from a different angle, at least if I were to assume, for the sake of argument, that there is a God who created everything and would even further assume that God to be good. This would also carry the assumption that our material existence in this mortal flesh is limited and that when we die, our immortal spirit or soul goes to some other place (presumably Heaven).

Assuming all this is true, that our existence here in this physical place is temporary and that our permanent, genuine existence is in spirit form in some other place, then how would "good" and "evil" even fit in to the equation? If nobody ever really dies, then no one can ever really kill someone. If our earthly possessions are meaningless, then no one can ever really steal anything. (I'm just speaking hypothetically. Don't anyone get any ideas!)

Even if some crazed maniac goes home and murders his wife and children in cold blood, the same assumption would still apply, at least in the sense that the souls of the wife and children are assumed to be in Heaven and a much better place than anything that can be conceived of in this life. Of course, by the morals and laws of civilized humanity, such an act would be considered a most despicable evil. But if one truly, genuinely, and sincerely believes that this life is just temporary and something analogous to a sandbox or a "matrix," as I've some people refer to, then how much genuine significance does it have?

The things that happen to us, as humans, mean more to us, so we define good things and bad things along those lines. But from a more objective universal standpoint, or from higher level dimensions, it might look totally different.

If we're assuming the existence of a God, it could just as easily be that God is some mad scientist and we're guinea pigs in some bizarre experiment. That would, at the very least, explain the Problem of Evil once and for all. But nothing to worry about, since we'll all end up in some nice, idyllic Heaven after it's all over. Maybe.
 

Eli G

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It seems illogical to me that atheists try to blame God (in whom they do not believe) for human evils. :rolleyes:

Wouldn't it be more realistic for them to blame themselves for these evils, rather than a god they don't believe in? :confused:

So if God exists (and that is my conviction), He is very wise to let atheists admit that they themselves have a great deal of the blame for the very terrible situation of humanity. In fact, how can affect to a person who live a century (at best) the evil that is been around for more than 6 millennial on the planet?

God knows better. He will fix it on the right moment... :)
 

Link

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Therefore, evil exists in Heaven, too.

Ciao

- viole
This is indeed a problem that the OP article does not address. If God can create heaven in future, why can't he always created as that.

I think the Quranic explanation of reality of heaven answers that question.
 

The Hammer

Skald
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Your second definition requires clarification, unimpeded by external constraints only or by internal constraints as well?

I believe no one makes choices free of internal constraints and that includes me.
Or external constraints, we are all interdependent on the choices of others past and present.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
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This is indeed a problem that the OP article does not address. If God can create heaven in future, why can't he always created as that.

I think the Quranic explanation of reality of heaven answers that question.
I guess, because it came afterwards. A sort of patch to the original, right?

ciao

- viole
 

Bthoth

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"Free will" is a nonsensical response to the problem of evil.

"Free will" is about choosing which of our desires we'll try to act upon. It doesn't include the ability to choose our desires. Free will can only lead to evil if we're innately inclined to evil desires.
Actually, 'evil' would not exist without 'free will'
 

bobhikes

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Does He explain why we have to live so long with evil? I mean wouldn't 30, 40 or 50 years be good enough to tell if we were worthy. Does he explain why evil is not consistent across lives? The evil I incur is not equal to the evil other people incur. Does he explain why most of the world at least 2/3'd don't believe what he considers evil is evil? There is no Religion which means no moral values for evil that exist for more than a 1/3 of the world population? I mean I get the fact that you need to choose to be good, but you'd think there would be, a shorter time limit, everyone would get equal testing, and everyone would have the same standards for what evil was.
 

Nimos

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Interesting read, yet also very limited.

If evil is defined as the lack of good, then who is responsible for natural evil? (Earthquake etc.)

Humans experience desires, drives, and impulses, which can affect decision making, but free will itself operates independently of these urges. Free will is the agency of humans to make decisions based on conscience—which is the assimilation of intellect, emotion, and spirituality.

I also think that this is contradictory or at least far-fetched. Is it possible to have emotions about something without desires or some sort of influence guiding them? Im not so sure it is.
 
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