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Here we go again with fuel.
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Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
We really have to get over our dependence on fossil fuels.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Or drill the untapped vast resources we have domestically.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
It's not an either/or situation. At some point we need to remove our dependence on fossil fuels. Simply tapping more of it continues to pollute our environment and disrupt our climate for a non-renewable energy source that's unlikely to become less polluting.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well I would be more receptive if alternatives met or exceed the potential of fossil fuels.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
They will eventually.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Or reduce dependence on fossil fuel, which is well underway now, given extra impetus by Putin's war and by the far-sightedness of the current president of the USA, among others.
There are signs the Saudis are panicking, as they need a price >$80/bbl to fund their effort to diversify their economy away from oil-dependence. (This was the first OPEC meeting in history at which Bloomberg and Reuters were excluded from the meeting, for fear they might not report its deliberations to the liking of the Saudis.) But the Saudis are not fools, unlike some people. They can see the writing is on the wall for oil and want to get what they can out of it while they still have the chance.
I like Biden's overall push for renewable energy, although I found it questionable when he approved the Willow drilling project in Alaska.
Biden OKs Alaska oil project, draws ire of environmentalists
The Biden administration is approving a major oil-drilling project on Alaska’s petroleum-rich North Slope.
I'm kinda ambivalent on it because I can see why he might want the US to have access to affordable oil until it increases its usage of renewable energy, though.
In lots of contexts, they already do.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Save for one thing. The battery.
Come again?
If you buy an IC car, it'll need maintenance. If you buy an electric car, it'll need maintenance.
Also, there are other alternatives to commuting long distances in an IC vehicle besides just switching to an electric version of a similar vehicle.
exchemist
Veteran Member
Yes I think right now one needs a balanced approach. It will be quite some time before the economy's reliance on fossil fuels drops far enough to stop all new development. For one thing, it's important to take the people with you, politically, in a democracy. So you can't just inflict disruption on them willy-nilly, or you risk a backlash that can set the country back a decade. Biden's a canny operator, though. He gets quite a lot done, while everyone around him is howling, claiming he is senile, etc.I like Biden's overall push for renewable energy, although I found it questionable when he approved the Willow drilling project in Alaska.
Biden OKs Alaska oil project, draws ire of environmentalists
The Biden administration is approving a major oil-drilling project on Alaska’s petroleum-rich North Slope.apnews.com
I'm kinda ambivalent on it because I can see why he might want the US to have access to affordable oil until it increases its usage of renewable energy, though.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I do like ev bikes. But they cost more than some cars.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Batteries are definitly inferior to fossil power. It's no contest at this point.
Locomotives for example, run on electric motors, but they are powered by diesel engines.
Like hybrid electric cars
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
A diesel in a hybrid. That would be a start. I wouldn't mind owning one.
Typical of the right wing, create shortage, increase price, boost profit at the expense of the sap in the street
Not all alternatives to gas-powered things involve batteries.
For instance, we ditched our old 2-stroke lawn mower for a corded electric.
How often do you find yourself in the position of having to spec out locomotives? How does the question "what sort of power is best for a locomotive/airplane/cargo ship?" ever factor into the decisions that you have to make for your own life?
Besides; electric locomotives work just fine. Worldwide, electric locomotives are probably more prevalent than diesels; the electric ones just use overhead power, not batteries.
Several, merv, kia, volvo, jag all have diesel hybrids