Here we go again with fuel.

[Twilight Hue]

Several, merv, kia, volvo, jag all have diesel hybrids

Yep. I'd like to see trucks and campers in that category as well.

 

[ChristineM]

Yep. I'd like to see trucks and campers in that category as well.

Don't want much do you?

I don't know about campers but they tried diesel hybrid trucks that never caught the imagination of naysayers

 

[Twilight Hue]

Don't want much do you?

I don't know about campers but they tried diesel hybrid trucks that never caught the imagination of naysayers

I'm particular for bio diesel which, from my understanding is much cleaner than conventional fossil fuel, plus it's recycling already used reserves of oil.

I dunno why it dosent catch either. The fixation on electric only is puzzling.

 

[exchemist]

Batteries are definitly inferior to fossil power. It's no contest at this point.

Locomotives for example, run on electric motors, but they are powered by diesel engines.

What a terrible example! In most countries trains run on just electricity. A railway is actually ideal for that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What a terrible example! In most countries trains run on just electricity. A railway is actually ideal for that.

I think its a great example. Most trains in North America run diesel electric systems.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think its a great example. Most trains in North America run diesel electric systems.

Electric railways are more efficient and cost-effective in the long run.

Diesel railways, OTOH:

- have lower front-end costs (though higher whole life cycle costs)
- require coordination with power transmission companies

American railways are mostly privately-owned. It's easier for governments to make the cash flow and power requirements work for electric railways, so they go for the more cost-effective option. Private corporations are more cash-flow limited, so they may not have the ready cash to pay more up front for the cheaper-to-run electric equipment and infrastructure.

 

[exchemist]

I think its a great example. Most trains in North America run diesel electric systems.

Sure, but you were using trains as an example of where electricity is no use as a power source. That is manifestly untrue, as the experience of the whole of Europe and Japan proves.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think its a great example. Most trains in North America run diesel electric systems.

Our rail and transit systems are **** compared to the rest of the first world.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Sure, but you were using trains as an example of where electricity is no use as a power source. That is manifestly untrue, as the experience of the whole of Europe and Japan proves.

There are American examples, too: Acela Train | Amtrak

 

[sun rise]

Well I would be more receptive if alternatives met or exceed the potential of fossil fuels.

Which they're doing now.

In the 2020 Lazard analysis, the lifetime costs (when including subsidies) of power are $31 per megawatt-hour for utility solar and $26 per megawatt-hour for wind. The cost of increasing capacity was $41 for coal and $28 for natural gas.

Solar power got cheap. So why aren’t we using it more?

The cost of renewable energy, and solar in particular, has plummeted in the last decade. So why has there not been a green revolution?

www.popsci.com

Solar Is Now 33% Cheaper Than Gas Power in US, Guggenheim Says

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Or drill the untapped vast resources we have domestically.

There are not that many left. We cannot drill our way out of this problem. Plus you know that AGW is a real thing. Why make a bad problem worse?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not all alternatives to gas-powered things involve batteries.

For instance, we ditched our old 2-stroke lawn mower for a corded electric.


How often do you find yourself in the position of having to spec out locomotives? How does the question "what sort of power is best for a locomotive/airplane/cargo ship?" ever factor into the decisions that you have to make for your own life?

Besides; electric locomotives work just fine. Worldwide, electric locomotives are probably more prevalent than diesels; the electric ones just use overhead power, not batteries.

Well that severely limits where a train can go. What if you want to go off roading?

 

[Father Heathen]

There are not that many left. We cannot drill our way out of this problem. Plus you know that AGW is a real thing. Why make a bad problem worse?

It's a hoax! The fossil fuel lobby said so!

 

[exchemist]

There are American examples, too: Acela Train | Amtrak

I know. But almost the whole of Europe, from the Atlantic to the Black Sea, has electrified railways. Diesel only makes sense where you have very low traffic compared to the distance.

 

[Revoltingest]

MSN

www.msn.com

The cut is reported to be over 1 million barrels a day.

Another great year in store for people.

Meh....prices rise a bit.
It'll encourage conservation.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do like ev bikes. But they cost more than some cars.

I agreed to buy one, until the seller said the
battery was dying. He was willing to discount
it by the price of a new battery. Problem...
Can't buy any for this bike. And it was a spendy
thing by a respected major manufacturer.
So no electric bikes for me until things settle
down, & they'll be maintainable for many years.
Til then, my bike is powered by cheeseburgers.

I've also had bad experiences with electric leaf
blowers. Those things die at too high a rate.
But gasoline engines will now outlast me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agreed to buy one, until the seller said the
battery was dying. He was willing to discount
it by the price of a new battery. Problem...
Can't buy any for this bike. And it was a spendy
thing by a respected major manufacturer.
So no electric bikes for me until things settle
down, & they'll be maintainable for many years.
Til then, my bike is powered by cheeseburgers.

I've also had bad experiences with electric leaf
blowers. Those things die at too high a rate.
But gasoline engines will now outlast me.

One wheel has to be cheaper than two:

 

[exchemist]

One wheel has to be cheaper than two:

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What a twat.

 

[Revoltingest]

One wheel has to be cheaper than two:

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I can envision injuries with one of those.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What a twat.

I could not find one with a kilt.