Here's a Question for the Young Creationist

[THE HOOD APOLOGIST]

You messed up. I did post a link that explained why your prophecies fail when used as you want to use them. Meanwhile you were never specific enough and did not present a prophecy in any meaningful way. Your beliefs are the ones that the Razor applies to. Nice try, play again when you have something.

You posted a link? Lol. We all could post hundreds of links to try and explain an ideology or claim. Sorry, I'm not going to a link to hear someone else explain what's on your mind. Use your own words from your own mind to prove your claim then we can converse. Until then, have a nice day

 

[Sky Rivers]

Seeing how the young Creationist believe everything was created at the time of Adam and Eve.
Now i would you to explain exactly in the book of Genesis 1:1--"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

Now in Genesis 1:2, here we will find the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Ok so far.

Now if you read from Verse 2 all the way to Verse 31 or even the whole Chapter 2.

Now here's the catch. Show in all these Verses 2-31, and chapter 2.

As to where God created the water and Atmosphere ( air) ?

Now we know by verse 2 the water is there, But where is it written that God created the water and Atmosphere (air)

This leaves no room for any speculation, well God did this or God did that, No.

Don't speak it, just show in what verse where God created the water and Atmosphere ( air) it's that simple.
The reason that you will not find the Verse,
is because the earth and water and
Atmosphere (air) is already there as Verse 1, clearly states, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

The only thing Verse 1 doesn't say, Is when God created the heavens and the earth. Only in the beginning, When ever that was,
But the point being, there is no where in all those Verses 2-31 and chapter 2 that God created the water and Atmosphere (air)

To my knowledge, Genesis 1 declares that God created heaven (visible sky) and earth (the watery realm itself).

Further in, God separated the waters by means of an expanse, allowing waters below to be gathered (seas) and waters above.

If you’re inclined to ponder over this , the atmosphere could be reasoned as the “waters above”. It can also be reasoned that Genesis 1:2 is the point where air came to exist (when God’s Spirit (breath) moved upon the face of the water.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'll say one more thing. Why are you going to a Greek translation for a Hebrew passage?
Not only that it DOES NOT SAY THE EARTH BECAME WITHOUT FORM AND VOID.
The Hebrew words are Tohuw and bohuw and they mean vacant and empty. In plain English, empty and unoccupied.

The proper translation in the Hebrew language in the Strong's concordance of the Greek and Hebrew Languages.
#1961- Hayah, Haw-yaw,

A primitive root, compare- 1933
To exist , ie, be or become,
Come to pass ( always emphatic
And not a mere copula or auxitiary)

Therefore the earth wasn't created without form and void
It became without form and void.

 

[Faithofchristian]

To my knowledge, Genesis 1 declares that God created heaven (visible sky) and earth (the watery realm itself).

Further in, God separated the waters by means of an expanse, allowing waters below to be gathered (seas) and waters above.

If you’re inclined to ponder over this , the atmosphere could be reasoned as the “waters above”. It can also be reasoned that Genesis 1:2 is the point where air came to exist (when God’s Spirit (breath) moved upon the face of the water.

There is no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that's written that God created the water and Atmosphere ( air).

Can you show as to where how you came by, when God’s Spirit (breath) moved upon the face of the water. When ( breath) is not even made mentioning of. Your adding to Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2--"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

As you can see, there is no where in that,
That says the Spirit of God ( breath)

What your doing is adding the word
( breath) when there is no where in
Genesis 1:2 even mention ( breath)

 

[THE HOOD APOLOGIST]

The proper translation in the Hebrew language in the Strong's concordance of the Greek and Hebrew Languages.
#1961- Hayah, Haw-yaw,

A primitive root, compare- 1933
To exist , ie, be or become,
Come to pass ( always emphatic
And not a mere copula or auxitiary)

Therefore the earth wasn't created without form and void
It became without form and void.

See that little word after "To exist, i.e., and before "or become" in your post? That little word "be".
Why didn't you use "be" instead of focusing on become, and come to pass, because it could be any one of those definitions right? So what we have to do is look at Scripture and see which interpretation supports what's written.
Merriam Webster Dictionary defines be as:

used to indicate the identity of a person or thing. —used to describe the QUALITIES OF A PERSON OR THING. —used to indicate the CONDITION OF A PERSON OR THING.

You saying the Earth became without form and void is not supported by Scripture. There's no event mentioned in the present context that supports your claim. You're using eisegesis.

However, on the other end, it's CONDITION of being created empty and unoccupied is supported by Scripture. This is why God is shown separating Land and Seas. He creates trees, plants, grass, animals, and man because the Earth is empty and unoccupied. Therefore, after he creates it's not empty or unoccupied anymore

 

[Sky Rivers]

There is no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that's written that God created the water and Atmosphere ( air).

Can you show as to where how you came by, when God’s Spirit (breath) moved upon the face of the water. When ( breath) is not even made mentioning of. Your adding to Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2--"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

As you can see, there is no where in that,
That says the Spirit of God ( breath)

What your doing is adding the word
( breath) when there is no where in
Genesis 1:2 even mention ( breath)

Wind, actually.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You posted a link? Lol. We all could post hundreds of links to try and explain an ideology or claim. Sorry, I'm not going to a link to hear someone else explain what's on your mind. Use your own words from your own mind to prove your claim then we can converse. Until then, have a nice day

I both quoted and posted a link. I did far more than you did.

You need to study up on how to apply Hitchen's Razor.

Try again.

 

[Salvador]

Did they allow for population diversity via alien colonization. Of course the Adamic race wasn't the only race in existence at the time of its recreation and not even 30,000 years ago where similar DNA existed.

What is meant in the Biblical verse Genesis 3:20 where Eve is claimed to be the mother of everybody?

Christ's genealogy in the Bible lists there being 77 generations between Eve and Christ; when mitochondrial Eve in fact existed thousands of generations before Christ.

 

[Sky Rivers]

There is no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that's written that God created the water and Atmosphere ( air).

Can you show as to where how you came by, when God’s Spirit (breath) moved upon the face of the water. When ( breath) is not even made mentioning of. Your adding to Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2--"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters"

As you can see, there is no where in that,
That says the Spirit of God ( breath)

What your doing is adding the word
( breath) when there is no where in
Genesis 1:2 even mention ( breath)

Here is the break down...


רוּחַ -ruwach
wind, breath, mind, spirit

1. breath
   
   
2. wind

***
רוּחַ rûwach, roo'-akh; from H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):—air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, ×quarter, × side, spirit(-ual), tempest, × vain, (whirl-) wind(-y).

Source: Blue Letter Bible

Hebrew Text
Myhla jwrw - and a mighty wind
The Hebrew word hwr can mean "breath, wind, or spirit" (BDB, 924). Its most basic meaning is "blowing, air in motion, wind" (NIDOTTE, 3:1073). To the ancient Hebrews breath, wind, and spirit were the same (Gaster, 1969, 5). There is no article in the Hebrew which indicates "wind" not "The Spirit" as well as the following Hebrew participle tpjrm denoting motion. It is interesting to note that the Hebrew and Akkadian word for "day" mwy and umum, respectively, can mean "wind" (Hildegard and Lewy, 1943, 5). The word <yhla can also be used as a superlative describing the wind, therefore meaning "a mighty wind" or "raging storm." Moscati and Freeman argue against taking it as an elative because of the context (1947, 305-10; 1996, 9-13). The only other exact Hebrew phrase with vav mentioned in the Masorah is in 2 Chronicles 24:20 where the Spirit of God comes upon Zechariah (Kelley, Mynatt, and Crawford, 1998, 113). There are six other references listed, Gen. 41:38, Ex. 31:3;35:31; Num. 24:2; Ezek. 11:24; and 2 Chr. 15:1. Psalm 33:6 says, "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth" (NIV). Here "word" and "breath" are used in parallel. Job 26:13 states, "By his breath the skies became fair" (NIV). Clearly, in this passage the wind which is considered God’s breath is blowing the clouds away causing fair skies.

IBSS - The Bible - Genesis 1:2 - And a Mighty Wind

 

[Faithofchristian]

Wind, actually.

So where in Genesis 1:3-14 did God created the wind, and seeing the wind is the Atmosphere ( air) so where in
Genesis 1:3-14 did God created the wind which is the Atmosphere and air.

It seems as though your trying to get around That theres is no where in
Genesis 1:3-14 that makes any mentioning about God creating the wind/Atmosphere/air.

So the question again is, Where did the
Wind/Atmosphere/ air come from?

 

[Thief]

please excuse my old age.....but gotta ask....

the text is question.....given to Moses?
by God?

the copy I keep gives the credit to Moses

 

[Faithofchristian]

Here is the break down...


רוּחַ -ruwach
wind, breath, mind, spirit

1. breath
   
   
2. wind

***
רוּחַ rûwach, roo'-akh; from H7306; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions):—air, anger, blast, breath, × cool, courage, mind, ×quarter, × side, spirit(-ual), tempest, × vain, (whirl-) wind(-y).

Source: Blue Letter Bible




IBSS - The Bible - Genesis 1:2 - And a Mighty Wind

That is not the same as Wind/Atmosphere/air

The Spirit of God is not wind or Atmosphere or Air.
That's ridiculous
So since when do people breath that it becomes a wind/Atmosphere/ air.

Man you sure like trying to defeat that no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that mention that God created the Atmosphere/air

Then people have a problem of not knowing the difference between a true Christians and the false Christians.

It's Christians like this that give Christians a bad rap
In trying to defeat their own bible/scriptures.

Then people wonder why Christ Jesus said what he said in Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"
Christ equals Christian
Christ = Christian

 

[Sky Rivers]

That is not the same as Wind/Atmosphere/air

The Spirit of God is not wind or Atmosphere or Air.
That's ridiculous
So since when do people breath that it becomes a wind/Atmosphere/ air.

Man you sure like trying to defeat that no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that mention that God created the Atmosphere/air

Then people have a problem of not knowing the difference between a true Christians and the false Christians.

It's Christians like this that give Christians a bad rap
In trying to defeat their own bible/scriptures.

Then people wonder why Christ Jesus said what he said in Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"
Christ equals Christian
Christ = Christian

Considering God’s breath is in us, I’m not troubled if the atmosphere itself was stirred to be by God’s breath. However, I suspect the atmosphere was made in Gen 1:1 (the heaven/heavens).

Furthermore, don’t ever call me a false or fake or untrue Christian again. Understood?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Considering God’s breath is in us, I’m not troubled if the atmosphere itself was stirred to be by God’s breath. However, I suspect the atmosphere was made in Gen 1:1 (the heaven/heavens).

Furthermore, don’t ever call me a false or fake or untrue Christian again. Understood?

You know in the nature of what your saying can be taken as a threat, so are you threatening me.
As that's against RF rules.
As this is the first time that I saw you on RF

I as I never pointed to you as a false Christian.
As I said there are false Christians and true Christians in the world.

As for Genesis 1:1--"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

It doesn't say when the beginning was.
And if you notice there's a Period
After the Earth.<---, that means there's nothing more to be said or done. Period

When there's a period at the end of a sentence that means it's the end of the sentence nothing more to be said or done.

Period' is the puncutation mark known as a full stop. Used as it is in the example, it means that there is no more to be said on the subject.
Therefore the period at the end of the sentence
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Period. No more to be said on the subject, period

So when was the beginning?
Therefore at the time when God created the heavens and the earth, was when God created the water and Atmosphere/air.

But there is no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that's written about God creating the water and Atmosphere/air.

 

[Sky Rivers]

You know in the nature of what your saying can be taken as a threat, so are you threatening me.
As that's against RF rules.
As this is the first time that I saw you on RF

I as I never pointed to you as a false Christian.
As I said there are false Christians and true Christians in the world.

As for Genesis 1:1--"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

It doesn't say when the beginning was.
And if you notice there's a Period
After the Earth.<---, that means there's nothing more to be said or done. Period

When there's a period at the end of a sentence that means it's the end of the sentence nothing more to be said or done.

Period' is the puncutation mark known as a full stop. Used as it is in the example, it means that there is no more to be said on the subject.
Therefore the period at the end of the sentence
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Period. No more to be said on the subject, period

So when was the beginning?
Therefore at the time when God created the heavens and the earth, was when God created the water and Atmosphere/air.

But there is no where in Genesis 1:3-14 that's written about God creating the water and Atmosphere/air.

Your argument is flawed and your conduct is as well. Furthermore, I’ve not threatened you in any way. I stated my view on your insults (which I did perceive to be directed at me). However, regardless of who they were directed at, I found them offensive.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Your argument is flawed and your conduct is as well. Furthermore, I’ve not threatened you in any way. I stated my view on your insults (which I did perceive to be directed at me). However, regardless of who they were directed at, I found them offensive.

Maybe you should take it up with Christ Jesus on Judgement day, seeing how he points out false Christians himself.

Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

Who else professes to come in the name of Christ Jesus other than Christians.

Note that Christian abbreviated
Christian = Christ - ian
Christ = Christ-ian
And shall deceive many.
Those being false Christians

 

[Sky Rivers]

Maybe you should take it up with Christ Jesus on Judgement day, seeing how he points out false Christians himself.

Matthew 24:5--"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

Who else professes to come in the name of Christ Jesus other than Christians.

Note that Christian abbreviated
Christian = Christ - ian
Christ = Christ-ian
And shall deceive many.
Those being false Christians

I'm uncertain of your point.

 

[IBdaMann]

All the other things you mentioned including the video you provided are hypotheses, not facts since no one was there to witness it happening

You are, of course, completely correct. Speculation about the past is not science; the scientific method, i.e. directly verifying the null hypothesis, cannot be accomplished without a time machine which, um, we don't have!

Subduction Zone doesn't believe in all those strict rules science has. He is a Global Warming worshiper and has only one two-pronged agenda: destroy capitalism and destroy Christianity.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You are, of course, completely correct. Speculation about the past is not science; the scientific method, i.e. directly verifying the null hypothesis, cannot be accomplished without a time machine which, um, we don't have!

Subduction Zone doesn't believe in all those strict rules science has. He is a Global Warming worshiper and has only one two-pronged agenda: destroy capitalism and destroy Christianity.

Actually I understand the scientific method. Clearly you do not. Would you like to begin a discussion on the topic? All of the creationists appear to be afraid to do so. Perhaps they think they might learn something that will make it impossible for them to believe stories that were only meant to be allegories at best.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I'm uncertain of your point.

Could it be that Christ Jesus is trying to wake people up.
As it didn't take much to wake me up, to see who Christ Jesus was in the talking about.
Just ask yourself, Who else besides Christians, Professes to come in the name of Christ.
You do know without having to say anything, the name Christian speaks for itself.
Christian means, A follower of Christ Jesus.
Therefore Christians comes in the name of Christ.

Christian = Christ

As Christ Jesus foretold in the book of
Matthew 24:5---"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many"

That in it's self should wake up every Christian around.
Why is Christ Jesus saying this about us
What are we doing wrong.
The first clue can be found in the book of
Matthew 15:7-9
7--"You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"

So here we Christ Jesus condemning those who follow the teachings of man's.

So who's teachings are people actually following, it's evidence people are not following the teachings of Christ Jesus that's for sure.

Let me ask this, alot of people in the churches are being taught about a Rapture, that Christ Jesus will come before the tribulation to rapture them out. Ok

Now in the book of Revelation God given the last Prophecy that is to happen first, before Christ Jesus can return.
That when this last prophecy happens, The tribulation is over and then Christ Jesus returns.

Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy of the book of Revelation happens first,
But when this last prophecy happens the tribulation is over. Then Christ Jesus returns.

So what good is the Rapture going to do. Seeing how Christ Jesus can not return until the last Prophecy happens first, and then the tribulation is over.
So what good is the Rapture going to do?