Here's your chance: Stump the Creationist

[atanu]

As well as most people over two, but this does not negate facts being although not always pleasant or what people want it them to be, are truth. I always disliked the supposed theoretical question; "If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" We now know that yes in fact it does. Sound waves are created by the gravitational pull to the ground and the tree impacting. Sound waves bounce within the earth's atmosphere for quite some time if not indefinitely.

Even to know the empirical knowedge that a tree impacting the ground creates sound waves, either by seeing a tree falling or from someone else's report, requires the function of hearing.

The point is that no empirical knowledge is provable, independent of ever functioning mind-senses.

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[horizon_mj1]

A sound waves have consistency, other wise telecommunications would not be possible. No matter if there is anyone or anything to hear the creation of the sound waves does not mean they were not created.

 

[newhope101]

Angellous, how do you explain the overwhelming evidence of evolution? For example, how do you account for the fact that fossils in rock strata come in predictable mixes that suggest a gradual evolution from simpler to more complex life forms? (There is better evidence for evolution, but this will do for starters. Why does this question not "stump" you?)

God created in stages also. The bible is not meant to give the creationists theory of everything. It is a spritual guide.

In fact your fossil evidence requires the invention of punctuated equilibrium and other models to explain why species stayed the same for millions of years at a time.

The sudden appearance of fossils in the record suggests a creative event. Further to that evolutionists have nothing more than handwaving and debated theories to connect post cambrian to precambrian.

Lets forget about the story line made from biased dating methods using probabilities to illustrate the millions of years of evolution prior, to the mass extinction 65myo. The only mammals to survive were little mouse size mammals. Your so called gradual evolution has made something like a mouse 'evolve; into a human being in the course of 65my...and don't forget species stay the same for a couple of million years at a time, hence the requirement of such theories like punctuated equilibrium etc to make it all fit.

If one wishes to believe in fairy tales this story is a good one, particularly given your researchers could not get one allele for accelerated development to fix in a population of drosophila over 600 generations, the equivalent of 12,000 human years. In fact the research showed that 70% of mutations are harmful.

Creationists do not disagree with somatic adaptive changes. ie immunity, changes in size, beak, skin colour in response to the environment. This is all your evolutionary scientists have been able to demonstrate. You can give a fruitfly or bacteria another species name but they remain the same kind in that they are still fruitflys and bacteria.

How can you say you have any evidence of anything when it changes all the time. You evos say it is so clear. I say your supposed evidence is as clear as mud. Todays evidence may well be tomorrows delusion. eg LUCA, knuckle walking ancestry and heaps more.

It also appears angelous evangelous has started a bait thread! Such is the way of many religious biggots. Hopefully AE is not one of them.

Fossils may look like human bones: Biological anthropologists question claims for human ancestry

Discovery Raises New Doubts About Dinosaur-bird Links

Simple marine worms distantly related to humans

Animals That Seem Identical May Be Completely Different Species

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v467/n7315/abs/nature09352.html

 

[Oneatatime]

I am, as in many other subjects, a master of the science of creationism.

I would like to see if any of you can stump me with a respectful question in the attempt to stump me.

I know that many creationist / evolutionist debates often deteriorate into both sides just insulting eachother. Let's commit to civility and keep the conversation friendly.

Can you explain how Creationism qualifies as a science?

 

[outhouse]

how many creationist does it take to try and change a light bulb?

 

[barek333]

@Newhope101

Not one of those articles disproves evolution, they all give valuable new insights into it..have you actually read them?

 

[tumbleweed41]

how many creationist does it take to try and change a light bulb?

None!!
Electrical Theory is just a theory!!!
Only God can create light!!!

"...and God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good."

 

[newhope101]

how many creationist does it take to try and change a light bulb?

About the same amount as it takes to tell an evolutionist a light bulb did not evolve. 1.

 

[newhope101]

@Newhope101

Not one of those articles disproves evolution, they all give valuable new insights into it..have you actually read them?

Yes I have read them and they are a great example of researchers not knowing what the hell they are talking about while looking to the same evidence

Evolutionary Evidence= Evolutionary Wishlist made from probably, maybe, likely

 

[LuisDantas]

Saying that it is so does not make it so.

 

[barek333]

@newhope : then you obviously do not understand the Scientific Method

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Most of these questions can be answered in a single sentence:

The everlasting, uncreated God created every living thing when he chose according to (what science calls) current species and no evolution has occured since then.

Why does "god" ("Choose") if it is aware of the outcome of all things?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yes I have read them and they are a great example of researchers not knowing what the hell they are talking about while looking to the same evidence

The tens of thousands of christian denominations
The many, many mormon sects
The many, many, Jewish sects
The many, many muslim sects

Yes, all reading from the same "evidence" and all interperting the data so strikingly different.......

 

[McBell]

The tens of thousands of christian denominations
The many, many mormon sects
The many, many, Jewish sects
The many, many muslim sects

Yes, all reading from the same "evidence" and all interperting the data so strikingly different.......

But that is different.
I mean geez, come on...
Everyone knows that there is all knowing all powerful entity guiding each and every one of those....

Um....
Nevermind...

 

[horizon_mj1]

Maybe an integral part of that being is the physics in which all truth and knowledge are bound to.

 

[Dan4reason]

I am, as in many other subjects, a master of the science of creationism.

I would like to see if any of you can stump me with a respectful question in the attempt to stump me.

I know that many creationist / evolutionist debates often deteriorate into both sides just insulting eachother. Let's commit to civility and keep the conversation friendly.

Hey angellous! I have a question for you. What evidence is there that the diversity of life on earth was created? I know this question is very broad but I want to get to know your perpective or at least the one you are defending.