Herman Cain: Liberals Want to Destroy America

[Revoltingest]

This man is literally swimming up stream here.

And hungry bears are looking for a little Dawg sushi to fatten up for the winter.

 

[Magic Man]

So the fact that the Bush tax cuts caused revenues to dramatically (to historic levels) go up obviously doesn't mean much to the Liberal I see. What a shocker. It seems they're more concerned about punishing the Rich for being rich than they are about higher revenues. Who needs revenue anyway, we got China to give us all the money we want, right?

Or, back here in reality, we realize that the Bush tax cuts didn't cause revenue to increase. But who needs to let facts get in the way of a good rant about how horrible other people are, huh?

 

[Magic Man]

I tried to put this into google translate, but it couldn't figure out what you were trying to say.

Could you rephrase the statement, preferably into non-canine English?

I'll translate for you: "I don't have a response, so I'll dismiss you like I always do, because it makes me feel like I won".

 

[Magic Man]

This man is literally swimming up stream here.

Really? I thought he was going to school and posting on a message board. It must be hard to type while swimming, especially upstream. Or did you mean that he's not literally swimming upstream, but metaphorically?

 

[T-Dawg]

What do you mean? There was a massive 800 billion dollar increase, how did you miss that? Auditing practices or not. Can the Obama regime say anything (and the 2007-2008 years of Bush in which the Democrats ruled the House) similar?

Perhaps "Everything you've heard' comes from leftist sources and you completely avoid anything that rightist sources say?

I'm not going to try and defend a lost cause like the Obama administration. The only thing the man's good for is being compared to Republicans.


I looked up the 2000+ years, and I didn't see the increase you were talking about. I did notice two massive spikes, but generally spikes aren't signs of good economic policy, they're signs of bubbles.

(We are talking about Bush Jr and not Bush Sr, right?)

Give the kid a break, how many people his age would even try to learn about what the tax rates where before they where born?

Yes, he is immersed in a Liberal environment attending college, but he still searches for the truth. This man is literally swimming up stream here.

Hence why the country is going to **** - the people with the brightest ideas (or at least the ones who don't want to return to the dark ages) are generally the same ones who simply don't care. I was so furious last year in 2010 - I was so sad that I wouldn't be able to contribute to the democratic landslide (which of course didn't happen for some ungov'ly reason), and my 18-year-old friend didn't even bother to register to vote!

I'm actually substantially more leftist than most people attending college (understandable since I'm in one of the most conservative countries in the western world). I remember in the first few weeks here the area was flooded with Christian groups; I know not how large these groups get, but surely the presence of (presumably university-sanctioned) Christian groups is a warning sign.
And then there's my family to deal with. I'm the only one in my family who bases my reaction towards "God" by, you know, what the Bible says God did (created evil, orchestrated mass murders to show everyone how powerful he was, constantly demanding to be worshiped, genocide of an entire race so he could give their land to his "chosen people," etc). Looking back, I'm shocked that I wasn't made permanently defective by my upbringing.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Really? I thought he was going to school and posting on a message board. It must be hard to type while swimming, especially upstream. Or did you mean that he's not literally swimming upstream, but metaphorically?

Yes Matt, that's what I meant.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The thing is, the rich already have money. That's why they're called "the rich." If they don't think it's profitable to invest their money into more jobs, giving them more money to invest won't change that.

This is Dawg's pearl of wisdom. He is correct, investing in an uneducated over compensated workforce and trying to compete with smarter less paid and regulated workers is a bad idea.

We have less than two out of twenty workers sitting on the side line. We hardly ever get unemployment under 5% because one in twenty folks would not take a good job if it landed on their face and wiggled.

That leaves one out of twenty that would work if they where offered something.

The caliber of this individual is lower than whale dung, otherwise they would already have a job like the other 18 out of 20 do already.

From a financial standpoint, they are really not a good investment unless we start creating jobs that don't require much thought or experience again.

Think about it, are these folks going to build a new bridge for us?

So...... I, as a conservative republican, freely admit lowering taxes is not going to solve a damn thing.

What this country really needs is to raise taxes and cut expenditures military and domestic.

If we ever decide to do the right thing, everyone is going to be upset and we all will share in the necessary sacrifice.

 

[Magic Man]

This is Dawg's pearl of wisdom. He is correct, investing in an uneducated over compensated workforce and trying to compete with smarter less paid and regulated workers is a bad idea.

"Overcompensated"? Where do you come up with this stuff?

We hardly ever get unemployment under 5% because one in twenty folks would not take a good job if it landed on their face and wiggled.

As good as this makes you feel, it's still incorrect.

So...... I, as a conservative republican, freely admit lowering taxes is not going to solve a damn thing.

What this country really needs is to raise taxes and cut expenditures military and domestic.

Well, thank God. Here I thought this whole post was just going to be another diatribe about how much better than unemployed Americans you are and how lazy everyone else is and how you had to walk to school in 3 feet of snow uphill both ways. It turns out only part of it was that, and this time you at least included a reasonable thought like this. At least we agree on this.

 

[T-Dawg]

This is Dawg's pearl of wisdom. He is correct, investing in an uneducated over compensated workforce and trying to compete with smarter less paid and regulated workers is a bad idea.

We have less than two out of twenty workers sitting on the side line. We hardly ever get unemployment under 5% because one in twenty folks would not take a good job if it landed on their face and wiggled.

That leaves one out of twenty that would work if they where offered something.

The caliber of this individual is lower than whale dung, otherwise they would already have a job like the other 18 out of 20 do already.

From a financial standpoint, they are really not a good investment unless we start creating jobs that don't require much thought or experience again.

Think about it, are these folks going to build a new bridge for us?

So...... I, as a conservative republican, freely admit lowering taxes is not going to solve a damn thing.

What this country really needs is to raise taxes and cut expenditures military and domestic.

If we ever decide to do the right thing, everyone is going to be upset and we all will share in the necessary sacrifice.

You're looking at the problem in reverse; the problem is not that Americans are overcompensated (although many of them undoubtedly are), it's that foreign labor is undercompensated. As long as guys in China are willing to work for 12 hours a day at $0.10 an hour (made up statistic), wages that an American would find very difficult if not completely impossible to live on, hiring the guy in China will always be more profitable so long as both of the workers are equal.
The solution is raise the living standards in China (and similar countries), and increase the quality of our own labor force, if at all possible.


Also, coincidentally, I just learned about the 5% thing for unemployment in economics today. It's not due to laziness (people who aren't seeking jobs aren't included in unemployment figures), it's because of the constant flow of people moving between jobs (frictional unemployment), and people who's skills become obsolete and have to adapt (structural unemployment).

 

[Riverwolf]

Also, coincidentally, I just learned about the 5% thing for unemployment in economics today. It's not due to laziness (people who aren't seeking jobs aren't included in unemployment figures), it's because of the constant flow of people moving between jobs (frictional unemployment), and people who's skills become obsolete and have to adapt (structural unemployment).

TBH, I think the major culprit for that is the ever-advancing computer technology.

 

[Reverend Rick]

"Overcompensated"? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Matt, Matt, Matt, surely you have met folks who where not even productive enough to earn minimum wage.

You see them in the drive thru windows. Not all of them, many are our next business managers in training working there.

I'm talking about the slack jawed, glazed eyed people who ask me what I want in my black coffee I order.

 

[Magic Man]

Matt, Matt, Matt, surely you have met folks who where not even productive enough to earn minimum wage.

Rick, Rick, Rick. Surely, there are such people; no one would deny that. I mean, I've seen reality shows and I've read about Paris Hilton, too. So, I understand that there are people who aren't even worth minimum wage. The problem is that you're acting like overcomensation is a big problem in our economy, as if those wonderful rich people are just not employing people because they'd have to overcompensate them. That part is false.

You see them in the drive thru windows. Not all of them, many are our next business managers in training working there.

I'm talking about the slack jawed, glazed eyed people who ask me what I want in my black coffee I order.

No doubt, just as there are people who mooch off of the welfare system. The problem is only in your exaggeration of the issue.

 

[work in progress]

So, I was watching Meet the Press this morning, and was quite shocked to learn that Herman Cain believes that the objective of liberals is to destroy this country.

Really, Mr. Cain?

I mean, I completely understand if you believe that the policies that liberals pursue will destroy this country, or are destroying this country. But it is a different thing all together to claim that the destruction of this country is their purpose.

So much for civil discourse and attempt at understanding.

Herman Cain is just the latest in a long line of conservative clowns who projects their motives onto their perceived ideological enemies. Seems matter-of-fact that if liberals were really as dangerous as claimed, they would have done a better job protecting the gains earned in civil rights, progressive taxation, education and infrastructure funding that were hard-earned during the 60's and early 70's. The reality is that society has become dysfunctional and is almost at the point of complete breakdown because of the success of rightwing ideology.

 

[no-body]

You see them in the drive thru windows. Not all of them, many are our next business managers in training working there.

I'm talking about the slack jawed, glazed eyed people who ask me what I want in my black coffee I order.

Wow and the left gets accused of classism. You really equate someones job with their self worth as a person?

I'm guessing you've never worked in a restaurant or any type of service job? Because someone who thinks those jobs aren't worth even minimum wage and that a monkey could do them sounds self entitled. The amount of b.s. to pay ratio you have to deal with in those type of jobs is why places like Walmart and MC'ds quake in their boots at a day when there is a living wage.

 

[Alceste]

Yes Alceste, you raise a good point. The thing is, are you willing to adopt all the Danish rules and regulations that makes their country so great or do you just want to cherry pick what you like and abandon what you dislike?

My next question is, do you believe the way Denmark is ran can be replicated on a much larger scale?

I want to adopt their most successful public policies one or two at a time, giving ample time to ease the impact of tax changes and assess the impact of each step before moving on to the next, but not so much time that no progress is made. Progressives are unlike conservatives in that it's not a matter of simply viscerally 'liking' or 'disliking' policies for us. We have objectives toward which we desire to see 'progress' - like for example increasing literacy. We can take that objective, empirically measure which public policies from around the world have been most effective at attaining it, then implement those policies at home.

It's not rocket science and we don't need to reinvent the wheel every time we spot a social problem. With 7 billion of us and thousands of years of recorded human history, quite a lot of things have been tried. Any intelligent analyst with access to high quality information can determine what works and what does not. We, as a society, only need to agree on our shared objectives. Empiricism can take care of the rest.

 

[Magic Man]

I want to adopt their most successful public policies one or two at a time, giving ample time to ease the impact of tax changes and assess the impact of each step before moving on to the next, but not so much time that no progress is made. Progressives are unlike conservatives in that it's not a matter of simply viscerally 'liking' or 'disliking' policies for us. We have objectives toward which we desire to see 'progress' - like for example increasing literacy. We can take that objective, empirically measure which public policies from around the world have been most effective at attaining it, then implement those policies at home.

And extremely good point. This is why when I bring up economic or political policies, I'm open to suggestions. I might favor certain things, but only because they have verifiable evidence to support their worth. If something else achieved the goals I think need to be achieved better than that, I'd be open to it.

It's not rocket science and we don't need to reinvent the wheel every time we spot a social problem. With 7 billion of us and thousands of years of recorded human history, quite a lot of things have been tried. Any intelligent analyst with access to high quality information can determine what works and what does not. We, as a society, only need to agree on our shared objectives. Empiricism can take care of the rest.

Well said.

 

[Alceste]

Most of the Liberals I know have the best of intentions. The problem is, they don't step up. They want someone else to do their heavy lifting for them.

Another issue I have is they keep acting like we have this unlimited supply of everything and life would be so much better if we just handed everything over to them.

Government is not this great big do everything for everyone super power.

To quote Ron Paul, "we are broke".

Yes! You're broke! Why do you think economists and progressives want tax increases on the rich? Seeing as the vast majority of wealth in your country is controlled by the top tier, the most efficient and effective way to eliminate your deficit is by taxing the people with the money. The expense of trying to raise funds by nickel and diming the already broke middle class to death makes it not worth the effort.

The problem with your opinion of liberals is that you don't appear ever to have spoken to one. I don't know where you're getting your caricatures from, but it certainly isn't from reading or listening to progressives.

 

[Alceste]

Well considering Denmark has over 5 and a half million people, we could at least replicate it in Florida.

Ha - I like how we both looked up the population of Denmark.

 

[Alceste]

Let's not forget the Bush tax increases. He also changed IRS enforcement standards to boost revenue. This was something
which didn't hit the media, but my CPA knew about it & I experienced it. I didn't see ole Dubya as a friend of business.

Perhaps you should have stayed in the arms industry.

 

[Alceste]

Wow and the left gets accused of classism. You really equate someones job with their self worth as a person?

I'm guessing you've never worked in a restaurant or any type of service job? Because someone who thinks those jobs aren't worth even minimum wage and that a monkey could do them sounds self entitled. The amount of b.s. to pay ratio you have to deal with in those type of jobs is why places like Walmart and MC'ds quake in their boots at a day when there is a living wage.

The notion that people who do low-income jobs must be worthless (or they wouldn't be in those jobs) seems most often to be held by people whose families helped them start a business with family funds. It's amazing how often people confuse their own good luck with some kind of personal achievement.