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Hermaphrodites

tomasortega

Active Member
Caster Semenya is female. She identifies as female. It is extremely disrespectful to call her a she/he/it. Ms Semenya is intersex. She is NOT a "hermaphrodite".

If Ms Semenya should marry a male, they would be in a heterosexual relationship because Ms Semenya is female..

semenya does not have ANY female organs in terms of an uterus
or ovaries, on the contrary, he has internalized testicles and produces 3 times as much testosterone as a woman. so given the facts, it is extremely silly of you to call him a female. but you are correct, he does consider himself to be a female. and given the fact that the vast majority of humans are heterosexual, chances are he/she will go for a male...... making her actually, physically homosexual....and in case im wrong and she goes for females, she will be mentally and consciously homosexual.
 

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
he does consider himself to be a female. and given the fact that the vast majority of humans are heterosexual, chances are he/she will go for a male...... making her actually, physically homosexual....and in case im wrong and she goes for females, she will be mentally and consciously homosexual.
This is very true. But doesn't only count for Intersex like Caster Semenya. Me knows, first hand, how it feels. When Me was married to Me's wife, Me was seen as Heterosexual, But Now Me's seen as nonsexual, As me dates Boys and Girls, Sometimes me get preached as Lesbians won't go to heaven, and a week later me gets preached that Gays don't go to heaven, and other times me get preached that Transgendered people don't go to heaven.

Ms Semenya, as far as the local media is concerned here, in South Africa, Ms Semenya has no Boy/girlfriend, her one friend said in Sundays paper that she dates in a group
 
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jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
semenya does not have ANY female organs in terms of an uterus
or ovaries, on the contrary, he has internalized testicles and produces 3 times as much testosterone as a woman. so given the facts, it is extremely silly of you to call him a female. but you are correct, he does consider himself to be a female. and given the fact that the vast majority of humans are heterosexual, chances are he/she will go for a male...... making her actually, physically homosexual....and in case im wrong and she goes for females, she will be mentally and consciously homosexual.

It's hilarious you've made an OP lamenting that "baaww religious people only see things in black and white" when you're doing the same thing. You can't even give the tiniest bit of respect to Ms Semenya by referring to her with feminine pronouns as she identifies as FEMALE.

Using the wrong pronouns for a trans or intersex person is one of the most blatantly disrespectful things you can do.


She's not a "hermaphrodite" and you should really request that a mod change the thread title. That's a disrespectful word to use for an intersex person. Almost NO ONE is a "hermaphrodite" because it's an extremely rare condition. Various forms of intersexuality are actually rather common, about 1-2% of all live births are intersexed. It would be nice if people would get a clue about a rather common condition even though it's none of anyone's business what reproductive bits someone has and no you don't get to decide how they identify.

However, Ms Semenya is likely to have Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. I'm not sure so don't take this as true for her. Anyway, almost all people with AIS identify as female. Anyway, AIS means the androgen receptors on cells don't hook up correctly with the androgens. Androgens are male hormones. This means that the "3x the amount of of testosterone" you keep bringing up do basically nothing. People with AIS are XY chromosomally but because there are basically no androgen receptors they don't develop secondary male characteristics- so that means no seminal vesicles, a penis, a scrotum developed. The undifferentiated gonad (that's what becomes testicles or ovaries) becomes testes- not because of androgens, remember those aren't doing a damn thing, but because of other hormones. Anyway, female is pretty much default for humans, so the rest of the body develops external secondary female characteristics because that's what happens without androgens- remember, she make be producing a lot of them, but they aren't and can't do anything! Now as for female plumbing like fallopian tubes, a uterus, and the inner two-thirds of the vagina, their development is repressed. In the end you have someone with something that is called a "blind vagina" and internal testes. Now as for why there's so much testosterone being produced when it's not doing anything or affecting anything, it's because the feedback loop is broken. The testes produce androgen, the androgen receptors can't take it, so there's never a "hey would you cut that out!" signal sent back to the testes.

So in short, you can blindly repeat that line about three times the normal amount of testosterone but yeah... it doesn't really make any difference.

Oh, by the way, I also produce more testosterone than the average man! Are you going to demand to see my genitals and reproductive bits before you will refer to me as female? Here's the most recent picture (it's horrible pic blah) I have of me, and yeah no one's ever went YOU BOY at me- even when I cut my hair really short and then people just went "gosh I am so sorry about your cancer!" Sort of made me *** because I've never had cancer.
 

tomasortega

Active Member
i used the title from the yahoo news link. blame them. the point of this thread is not to specifically discuss semenya. (i used her as a general example of all cases in which no 100% male or female is born) its to discuss black/white religious views in regards to such inconsistencies, and to hint towards homosexuality not being due to a conscious choice as many religionists claim, but rather biological. if you have an axe to grind, please dont sidetrack this thread and take it elsewhere.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
i used the title from the yahoo news link. blame them. the point of this thread is not to specifically discuss semenya. (i used her as a general example of all cases in which no 100% male or female is born) its to discuss black/white religious views in regards to such inconsistencies, and to hint towards homosexuality not being due to a conscious choice as many religionists claim, but rather biological. if you have an axe to grind, please dont sidetrack this thread and take it elsewhere.
If you're going to be arguing biology then get your facts right and I won't come in here and correct you. ;)

I gave you Islam's position on intersexuality and transgenderism. That's also a completely different issue than homosexuality. Of course, homosexuality isn't a choice, and anyone who arguing that it is has their head in the sand, but you're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. Being trans or intersex does not automatically make you gay.
 

tomasortega

Active Member
If you're going to be arguing biology then get your facts right and I won't come in here and correct you. ;)

I gave you Islam's position on intersexuality and transgenderism. That's also a completely different issue than homosexuality. Of course, homosexuality isn't a choice, and anyone who arguing that it is has their head in the sand, but you're sort of comparing apples and oranges here. Being trans or intersex does not automatically make you gay.

you say homosexuality is not a choice, but is that based on the koran, or just your personal opinion?

im not arguing that the intersexed are automatically gay.... im pointing out that there are "abnormalities" in nature, and sexuality as a whole is not as cut and dry an issue as many religionists believe. its certainly dependant on nature/biology, then im tying homosexuality to this and pointing out that it might also have biological cause
 
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