Hey God, Why Us Anyway?

[Skwim]

The bible tells us.

Genesis 1:

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

To have adoring slaves.

 

[George-ananda]

I think it was a pretty good explanation for people of 500 BC. He wanted to create a being in his image.

 

[ChristineES]

Why not us?

 

[Sees]

I was thinking about this the other day and it seems fitting as a reply to this thread. Should the "why" questions matter more to religious folks than the irreligious?

I notice a lot of people who criticize religion en masse will go after the "why" questions and answers when it comes to religion but let them fall silent or disappear when it comes to "science" or "rational, logical secularism." It basically just serves as a type trap or enticement, since we know the "why" of anything can hardly ever be proven - any and every response will get it's enlightening, joyful dose of heckling and dismissal.

 

[roger1440]

The bible tells us.

Genesis 1:

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

Hey, maybe he just had to much free time on his hands.

 

[outhouse]

I think it was a pretty good explanation for people of 500 BC. He wanted to create a being in his image.

I do not even think they were trying to explain it.

Originally it would have been campfire mythology told as entertainment to wide eyed children as rhetorical allegory and metaphor to teach cultural morals and lessons.

Only later people perverted its original intention.

 

[Aquitaine]

Because it's a product of human imagination and Ego - believing that we are literally the centre of the universe.

 

[chinu]

[/INDENT]But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

Actually, In the beginning YOU created a game for yourself to play, but before stepping into that game there was a question in YOUR mind.

Q: How can such a game give true enjoyment until you may forget you are the creator of this game ? Thus.. you turned this game into an illusory game, Which means that you will forget everything, your power, your rank, your place, your status, after jumping into that game.

But again an another new question got arise, Q: As You will forget everything about yourself after jumping into that game, than who will pull you out when you will get tired after playing a lot ? Thus, by giving all of yours powers you created a CLONE of yourself and gave him the duty to pull you out.

Now, asked the clone; Sir, how will i come to know that you are really tired of this game ? YOU said; when i'll cry and beg infront of you to take me out of this game like as you have created me, rather than i created you.

And finally by saying this YOU jumped into that game.

GOD is that CLONE

 

[Quintessence]

[/INDENT]But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

As I can recall, it is never told why the one-god created anything, including humans. May I ask why you specifically point out humans instead of asking "why did the one-god create anything?"

 

[ChristineES]

For those who believe in God, we do indeed ask why, but we never really expect an answer. We are just funny that way (or idiotic, in some people's view, but I won't get into that).

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Why us?

Well, since we created him in the first place, it was only polite to return the favor.

 

[SkylarHunter]

we know the "why" of anything can hardly ever be proven - any and every response will get it's enlightening, joyful dose of heckling and dismissal.

And since the "why" can hardly ever be proven, people make up their own stories and interpretations that they then use as excuses for all sort of unthinkable actions.

 

[viole]

The bible tells us.

Genesis 1:

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

I suspect that if cows had the faculty of asking themselves about their role in the universe, they would have written a holy book where God created the universe with them in mind.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Robert.Evans]

The bible tells us.

Genesis 1:

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.


21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

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But it never tells us why he created humans, at least as far as I can tell. So, why us? Why not leave the place just as it was pre– A&E?

It is a thoughtful question. The beginning of Genesis gives no reason why, no thought process. Nor, as someone once asked, does it say what God was doing before he created everything.
My answer to this is that it is an expanding consciousness that burst onto the scene. That is seen in everything we see. The Bible is a shorthand version of that mental process. So there was no before, no reason, as this came about as his conscious abilities grew. This means that God, as we think of him, was not Conscious as such, but Aware.

The universe is consciousness expressed in physical terms.

So there is no reason. What we see is something realising its own self, through us and everything we see.

 

[Skwim]

To have adoring slaves.

I think you have a good point.

"In order to capture the whole beauty of this, let's take a look at that one word "inheritance" in verse 4. And the idea is to bless God, to praise God, to adore God for the inheritance He has promised us"
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And, we're certainly slaves to all the pain and suffering he's saddled us with.

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I think it was a pretty good explanation for people of 500 BC. He wanted to create a being in his image.

That may explain one being, but not all of those that followed.

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Why not us?

And why not a world free of disease?

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Hey, maybe he just had to much free time on his hands.

So why us?

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As I can recall, it is never told why the one-god created anything, including humans. May I ask why you specifically point out humans instead of asking "why did the one-god create anything?"

You do have a valid question, which goes back to the question of why is there anything. But I wanted to focus more on the supposed acme of his creating endeavors: we humans.

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Why us?

Well, since we created him in the first place, it was only polite to return the favor.

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I suspect that if cows had the faculty of asking themselves about their role in the universe, they would have written a holy book where God created the universe with them in mind.

Absolutely, and we would be serving at their pleasure.

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My answer to this is that it is an expanding consciousness that burst onto the scene. That is seen in everything we see. The Bible is a shorthand version of that mental process. So there was no before, no reason, as this came about as his conscious abilities grew. This means that God, as we think of him, was not Conscious as such, but Aware.

So you see his creations, us in particlar, as an unconscious act?

 

[Sir Doom]

The only thing I can think of is that an omnipotent being has to eliminate omnipotence in order to experience any change at all (in my opinion). Making creatures that it couldn't control would certainly accomplish that. I suppose that doesn't really explain why us instead of cows, though.

 

[Robert.Evans]

So you see his creations, us in particlar, as an unconscious act?

I will put it this way ( i nearly said yes) The conscious side of it is separate to the awareness side of it. Thus there is a Source and Image. The Image can be seen as Feminine, and is what we are created within.
There has to be a separation otherwise it does not work, there are too many paradoxes. It is all within the Whole of course... as there is only One.

 

[Robert.Evans]

The only thing I can think of is that an omnipotent being has to eliminate omnipotence in order to experience any change at all

I think that is a good point. If something is complete, or perfect, it must become imperfect in order that we exist... as we are not perfect

 

[Aquitaine]

The only thing I can think of is that an omnipotent being has to eliminate omnipotence in order to experience any change at all (in my opinion). Making creatures that it couldn't control would certainly accomplish that. I suppose that doesn't really explain why us instead of cows, though.

But then why would an omnipotent being have any desire for anything in the first place? It would have nothing to envy, nothing to desire, no personality.