Hey !, he did it, dropping the big mother.

[Brickjectivity]

We have not declared war, yet we've just dropped a bomb in a foreign land. There's no clear and present danger to our borders. Either conquer the territory or leave it. That is the only way to win a war. If you want to win you have to be the winner, and we are not willing to be the winner. We have a non-committal approach, and this bomb is going to make us look bad in the long run. Its tactically very strong and does destroy Isis combatants, but its not a win.

 

[BSM1]

We have not declared war, yet we've just dropped a bomb in a foreign land. There's no clear and present danger to our borders. Either conquer the territory or leave it. That is the only way to win a war. If you want to win you have to be the winner, and we are not willing to be the winner. We have a non-committal approach, and this bomb is going to make us look bad in the long run. Its tactically very strong and does destroy Isis combatants, but its not a win.

I tend to agree with you. However, it is a start and I don't think we could have looked any worse than we did.

 

[metis]

Point taken. That's why you should be first in line to condone dropping these big *** bombs on our enemies so fewer troops will have to be placed in harm's way. BTW, most of us that joined the military understood the ramifications.

Who said I was opposed to it?

However, one thing that should always be a concern is what "collateral damage", if any, is involved? Fortunately in this case, there seems to be none-- at least that's what we're hearing.

 

[metis]

It was only recently placed in Afghanistan with specific plans on how it was to be used. This was done soon before the end of the Obama administration.

Could you please provide a link for this as I've not run across this at any of the news sources I've seen.

Let me just add that the Obama administration could have used this bomb during their entire eight-year tenure but didn't. Now, under the circumstances whereas we saw where it was dropped, maybe he would have used it, but I guess we'll never know. Bush didn't use it either, btw.

Because two previous presidents didn't use it, and because this one did, I'm wondering what Trump's real motivation for using it actually was? Remember, he played the "Obama-did-it-too" card with his attempted Muslim ban, which was disingenuous because they covered different things, so I do have to question why he did what he did this time as well.

 

[esmith]

ISIL wasn't in Afghanistan or Pakistan. This bomb was probably dropped to clean up GWB's missed attempt at Obama's Bin Laden. There's ISIL members/sympathizers in every country across the world. You can't stop it. Dropping a bomb makes it worse...not better.

So now your an expert in the intelligence field. The conditioning by your leftest propaganda mill is really showing through now.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you want to believe it to be so.

Oh, I very much want not to believe it. It took almost a decade for me to accept that it is so.

 

[LuisDantas]

I tend to agree with you. However, it is a start and I don't think we could have looked any worse than we did.

Then you have not considered the matter with any seriousness at all.

 

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[FearGod]

Oh, I very much want not to believe it. It took almost a decade for me to accept that it is so.

And from day one to the decades your views can never and will never change.

 

[tytlyf]

So now your an expert in the intelligence field. The conditioning by your leftest propaganda mill is really showing through now.

ISIS stands for Iraq and Syria. Not Afghanistan or Pakistan. Judge Judy taught me that if something doesn't make sense it's probably not true.

So now ISIL is co-mingling with the Taliban and using their tunnels? Is that what's going on?

 

[LuisDantas]

And from day one to the decades your views can never and will change.

Not for no reason, if that is what you mean.

 

[Shad]

Great use of such an weapon. Killing a bunch of front-line grunts with overkill. The US still has figured out that part of strategy of terrorist, and guerilla warfare in general, is to economical bleed the enemy dry...

The media but unfortunately it's uncontrollable, it shows that the west hate Islam and Muslims
while a lot of Muslim's scholars teach that killing innocents is evil regardless of their religions
and beliefs, we find the western media teach that Islam is evil and they should fight Islam.

But we need to fight them by showing them that their way is wrong and against Islam.

A random Youtube video not what most people consider the media.

 

[FearGod]

Not for no reason, if that is what you mean.

Do you blame Islam for improving Europe during the middle ages?

 

[Notanumber]

Do you blame Islam for improving Europe during the middle ages?

Is this what you would call improving?

 

[Stevicus]

Do you blame Islam for improving Europe during the middle ages?

I wouldn't blame Islam for improving Europe, at least depending on how one defines "improved." The Middle East was somewhat of a conduit of trade, information, and technology between Europe and East Asia, but that was a double-edged sword. They controlled the trade routes.

In a way, it's because Islam was seen as the primary barrier between East and West - along with the West's desire to establish trade routes that bypassed Islamic-controlled regions - that the ages of exploration and colonization were set into motion.

 

[shunyadragon]

Could you please provide a link for this as I've not run across this at any of the news sources I've seen.

Let me just add that the Obama administration could have used this bomb during their entire eight-year tenure but didn't. Now, under the circumstances whereas we saw where it was dropped, maybe he would have used it, but I guess we'll never know. Bush didn't use it either, btw.

The the placement of the bomb, plans, and authorization was given to General Nicholson to use the bomb by the Obama administration.

[cite=[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-drops-mother-of-all-bombs-in-afghanistan-marking-weapons-first-use/"]U.S. drops "mother of all bombs" in Afghanistan, marking weapon's first use[/URL]]
The bomb was aimed at the center of an ISIS cave complex in Afghanistan, CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports. The bomb set off a massive pressure cave that would have crushed the life out of any fighters hiding in the cave, and it sent a mushroom-like cloud into the sky, Martin reports.

General John Nicholson, the U.S. Commander in Afghanistan, said he used the bomb so Afghan troops and their American advisers wouldn’t have to go in on the ground to clear out the caves. There are an estimated 600-800 ISIS fighters in Afghanistan, most of them located in Nangarhar province, near the Pakistan border.

The strike had been in the works for a number of months, dating back to the Obama administration, which is when the bomb itself had been moved into Afghanistan. The authority to use the bomb had been delegated to Nicholson, although he notified Washington in advance, Martin reports. [/cite]

 

[FearGod]

I wouldn't blame Islam for improving Europe, at least depending on how one defines "improved." The Middle East was somewhat of a conduit of trade, information, and technology between Europe and East Asia, but that was a double-edged sword. They controlled the trade routes.

In a way, it's because Islam was seen as the primary barrier between East and West - along with the West's desire to establish trade routes that bypassed Islamic-controlled regions - that the ages of exploration and colonization were set into motion.

Were Europe waiting for Islam to reach Spain for conduction to occur?

 

[psychoslice]

The media but unfortunately it's uncontrollable, it shows that the west hate Islam and Muslims
while a lot of Muslim's scholars teach that killing innocents is evil regardless of their religions
and beliefs, we find the western media teach that Islam is evil and they should fight Islam.

But we need to fight them by showing them that their way is wrong and against Islam.

But can you blame them for thinking that way when there is so much violence caused by Muslims, if it was happening in their own county I am sure they wouldn't like it, they have always hated Christians when they have no reason. You don't see radical Christians blowing themselves up, and cutting heads of Muslims do you ?.

 

[psychoslice]

Well killing seems to feed sick minds.

That is true and that is why we need to get rid of them, they are sick.

 

[FearGod]

But can you blame them for thinking that way when there is so much violence caused by Muslims, if it was happening in their own county I am sure they wouldn't like it, they have always hated Christians when they have no reason. You don't see radical Christians blowing themselves up, and cutting heads of Muslims do you ?.

No they don't kill, they're very cute.