Hey sis, how about a roll in the hay

[icehorse]

And if no coercion exists?

if we've assumed sterilization and no coercion, then it just seems icky, but i can't easily find the moral problem - other than "we've never allowed this". (which isn't really a moral reason)

but, perhaps there's a moral reason that would make me slap my forehead. but definitely icky.

 

[Sapiens]

if we've assumed sterilization and no coercion, then it just seems icky, but i can't easily find the moral problem - other than "we've never allowed this". (which isn't really a moral reason)

but, perhaps there's a moral reason that would make me slap my forehead. but definitely icky.

Historically incest is kinda like nepotism ... it happens in the best of families.

 

[Glaurung]

Sorry, but how do you know that it is "inherently wrong"?

The same way you 'know' that there is no such thing as a moral standard independent of human opinion. Because as a Christian I believe that such a standard is very real. I'm not here to prove it to you, nor am I here to enforce it on you.

Defend that view and not with "I'm just right so there"

Likewise.

 

[Cephus]

The same way you 'know' that there is no such thing as a moral standard independent of human opinion. Because as a Christian I believe that such a standard is very real. I'm not here to prove it to you, nor am I here to enforce it on you.

So you just believe it, you don't know it. Words have meanings for a reason.

 

[Glaurung]

So you just believe it, you don't know it. Words have meanings for a reason.

I don't 'just' believe it. I didn't 'just' wake up one day and arbitrarily decide my convictions on a whim. The fact that you don't share my moral convictions is not in itself a meaningful argument for their baselessness. Not all of us hold to a framework of atheism and social relativism; you're just going to have to deal with that reality.

 

[Nietzsche]

The same way you 'know' that there is no such thing as a moral standard independent of human opinion. Because as a Christian I believe that such a standard is very real. I'm not here to prove it to you, nor am I here to enforce it on you.

If you can't show it, you don't know it. You strongly believe that this is the case, you cannot prove it, just as I cannot prove it in the opposite direction.

 

[Glaurung]

If you can't show it, you don't know it. You strongly believe that this is the case, you cannot prove it, just as I cannot prove it in the opposite direction.

Do you not notice the quotation marks above the word know?

 

[Nietzsche]

Do you not notice the quotation marks above the word know?

I did. I did not know that was what you meant. My apologies, I jumped the gun a wee bit.