Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah Killed in IDF Strike

[Jimmy]

It doesn't have to come to this. Mass, wanton destruction and collective punishment are illegal. There is no reason to want to displace all Gazans and ship them to Africa. Their is no reason for their illegal occupations of Gaza and the West Bank, and no reason to support their own terrorism against the Palestinians.

They aren't weeding out terrorists but committing genocide against people who mostly did not vote for Hamas. And they are ensuring the violence continues. They have examples where peace was achieved, but they're going with the path that history shows us will lead to continued violence.
Or take it from Hamas, the IDF is great for Hamas recruitment efforts.

Hamas recruiter tells CBS News that Israel's actions in Gaza are fueling a West Bank recruiting boom

Why a Hamas recruiter in the West Bank and a veteran Israeli hostage negotiator agree that Benjamin Netanyahu's mission to destroy Hamas will fail.

www.cbsnews.com

Well then there will be more terrorists to weed out unfortunately

 

[Jimmy]

Fortunately the United Kingdom learned better and achieved peace about 30 years ago.
It can happen. But there has to be serious efforts made towards peace or it won't happen. And indiscriminate bombing will not make it happen.

After all the terrorists are weeded out maybe negotiations will be able to happen.

 

[Revoltingest]

After all the terrorists are weeded out maybe negotiations will be able to happen.

Or once Israel is destroyed by its own greed &
vengeance, negotiations will become productive.

 

[Jimmy]

Or once Israel is destroyed by its own greed &
vengeance, negotiations will become productive.

Nah, Israel is fully supported by its citizens and many countries around the world. They don’t want to see another peaceful outing, like a concert, get attacked by terrorists.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nah, Israel is fully supported by its citizens and many countries around the world.

That's the problem.
It acts illegally & brutally without any accountability.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well then there will be more terrorists to weed out unfortunately

That's called a failure. Peace is possible. There are examples they can model their own approach after.
But when the major power player in the conflict is an ethno-religious-nationist we cannot reasonably expect peace to be the main goal. He wants it all for him and his own, international law and agreements be damned. Those three things leading a state are problematic on their own, but all three together then we have a situation where 43,000 (and counting) people have been murdered en masse, summarily executed, and some people not understanding what is wrong with that and justifying it is as though collateral damage is acceptable.
If the Natives (of wherever any of us live) were doing it to you they could use the same justifications but your attitude would be very different.

 

[Jimmy]

That's the problem.
It acts illegally & brutally without any accountability.

Nah, it’s weeding out terrorists who kidnap, kill and god knows what else to people at fun family outings.

 

[Jimmy]

That's called a failure. Peace is possible. There are examples they can model their own approach after.
But when the major power player in the conflict is an ethno-religious-nationist we cannot reasonably expect peace to be the main goal. He wants it all for him and his own, international law and agreements be damned. Those three things leading a state are problematic on their own, but all three together then we have a situation where 43,000 (and counting) people have been murdered en masse, summarily executed, and some people not understanding what is wrong with that and justifying it is as though collateral damage is acceptable.
If the Natives (of wherever any of us live) were doing it to you they could use the same justifications but your attitude would be very different.

When terrorist attack a fun family outing and kill, kidnap, and God only knows what else to the people then they must be hunted down.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nah, it’s weeding out terrorists who kidnap, kill and god knows what else to people at fun family outings.

It becomes an endless process when so many
people are maimed, killed, & ruined by Israel.
Zionists....if they had any sense of humanity
for people other than Jews....& if they felt
anything other than blind vengeance....they
might see a path to peace thru justice.
But they want only to kill & oppress
(as I observe).

 

[Jimmy]

It becomes an endless process when so many
people are maimed, killed, & ruined by Israel.
Zionists....if they had any sense of humanity
for people other than Jews....& if they felt
anything other than blind vengeance....they
might see a path to peace thru justice.
But they want only to kill & oppress
(as I observe).

Same on the other side. See where our debate is pointless? It’s sad, it really is.

 

[Revoltingest]

Same on the other side.

The other side is the one doing the dying.
It's not symmetric.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

After all the terrorists are weeded out maybe negotiations will be able to happen.

No, actually the IRA was offered a place at the negotiation tables. And even with the PIRA, England did not "weed out" the terrorists in Northern Ireland, not even after the attempted assassination of Thatcher. In fact, as part of showing they are serious they even released some PIRA prisoners. The IRA laid down it's arms. The Good Friday Agreement was only made possible with both sides showing they are serious about peace. Had England done what Netanyahu is doing then the Troubles likely would still rage today as each bomb would have grown the support for not the peace-seeking IRA but the violent Provisional-IRA who would give people their best chance at avenging their murdered loved ones.

 

[Jimmy]

The other side is the one doing the dying.
It's not symmetric.

Some still have hate in their hearts for Jews just like you claim some Jews hate Arabs

 

[Jimmy]

No, actually the IRA was offered a place at the negotiation tables. And even with the PIRA, England did not "weed out" the terrorists in Northern Ireland, not even after the attempted assassination of Thatcher. In fact, as part of showing they are serious they even released some PIRA prisoners. The IRA laid down its arms. The Good Friday Agreement was only made possible with both sides showing they are serious about peace. Had England done what Netanyahu is doing then the Troubles likely would still rage today as each bomb would have grown the support for not the peace-seeking IRA but the violent Provisional-IRA who would give people their best chance at avenging their murdered loved ones.

This ain’t England

 

[Revoltingest]

Some still have hate in their hearts for Jews just like you claim some Jews hate Arabs

As long as Israel seeks to inspire hatred,
it will suffer from hatred. The trick...
Stop inspiring hatred.
Give Palestinians justice.

 

[Jimmy]

As long as Israel seeks to inspire hatred,
it will suffer from hatred. The trick...
Stop inspiring hatred.
Give Palestinians justice.

Same on other side

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When terrorist attack a fun family outing and kill, kidnap, and God only knows what else to the people then they must be hunted down.

Then why not work with the Palestenians to bring down Hamas? They could have done that, but they didn't. After the October attack they could have said no more amd began turning Palestinians firmly against Hamas in order to topple them from within.
But no, they said lets make sure our grandchildren get to know what war is like and do things we've seen others (like Russia and America) attempt and fail at, things we know will get more arms imported because people will be picking them up rather than laying them down.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This ain’t England

No ****. But it's still a fact what the IDF is doing is both illegal and good only for continuing the violence. It's the fact both sides have to show they are interested in peace but Israel is showing it doesn't even want to live among the Palestinians and still wants to steal their land (that's probably started more wars than anything because people just don't normally say ok if someone tries to steal their land).

 

[Jimmy]

Then why not work with the Palestenians to bring down Hamas? They could have done that, but they didn't. After the October attack they could have said no more amd began turning Palestinians firmly against Hamas in order to topple them from within.
But no, they said lets make sure our grandchildren get to know what war is like and do things we've seen others (like Russia and America) attempt and fail at, things we know will get more arms imported because people will be picking them up rather than laying them down.

And in the meantime have another terrorist attack? They needed to be immediately be hunted.

 

[Revoltingest]

Same on other side

Such ignorance of the asymmetry bespeaks
unfamiliar with Israel's history & policies.
One example of many....
It's long been formal Israel policy to keep Gazans
on the verge of financial collapse. Oppressed poor
people are more vulnerable to radicalization, &
Israel is obviously the enemy....& thus the target.
Why not end this policy of hostile subjugation?
Allow prosperity to curb the violent consequences
of poverty.