Hi, I hope this isn't awkward

[sayak83]

What do you mean?

We have been asking him the same question for 4 years now...

 

[sayak83]

Thanks for that article - I genuinely find it insightful and helpful.

I used to find meaning in the relationships I used to have and a lot of the drugs I used to do were effective in allowing me to tap into a kind of universal sense of consciousness that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to comprehend or even observe in any genuine way.

It seems like interpersonal connection is the key to a well-adjusted lifestyle and hedonistic pursuits offer a motivation to live that transcends basic, erroneous biological urges and propensities. This seems to be the source of a lot of my misery, because I see no evidence whatsoever for anything beyond the empirical or tangible except for when my consciousness becomes distorted, enhanced and, for the lack of a better expression, "blown up" by psychoactive drugs. I'm always seeking excitement and drama, almost as a means to feel alive; even my own current misery is something that I continue to embrace because everything else seems too boring.

Contrary to this: I'm yet to find anything that even slightly makes any logical sense within any religious discipline. Faith doesn't sit well with me at all. Abstinence from certain behaviours of mine seem to remove my will to live.

Maybe take up a challenging hobby? Mountaineering? Marathon? ...Meditation?

 

[Axe Elf]

Do you have some kind of scale of "oddness" that I could use to assist you with?

The amount of data collection and subsequent normalization that would be required to develop such a scale is time-prohibitive; so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

 

[Thief]

At what moment? What are you referring to? Can you be less cryptic please?

not important.....I just thought you left

nothing here to focus on

 

[asharmony]

Maybe take up a challenging hobby? Mountaineering? Marathon? ...Meditation?

I struggle to see the ultimate goal in pursuits such as the examples you gave. They seem empty to me.

 

[asharmony]

The amount of data collection and subsequent normalization that would be required to develop such a scale is time-prohibitive; so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

Well, I guess living a specific lifestyle and entertaining the company that is associated with a lifestyle is just like any other form of habitual behaviour. I guess what puzzled me about your earlier post was that you found it necessary to point out this very fact. Hat on a hat.

Is there anything further you would like to add?

 

[asharmony]

not important.....I just thought you left

nothing here to focus on

Left what? This is a public internet forum. I can post here whenever I want.

 

[sayak83]

I struggle to see the ultimate goal in pursuits such as the examples you gave. They seem empty to me.

The goal is a new experience that enriches and enhances your consciousness and quality of your lived moments of life.

 

[Axe Elf]

Well, I guess living a specific lifestyle and entertaining the company that is associated with a lifestyle is just like any other form of habitual behaviour. I guess what puzzled me about your earlier post was that you found it necessary to point out this very fact. Hat on a hat.

Is there anything further you would like to add?

I was taking your side until you said you cheated too; then I lost sympathy and marked it down to treating others the way you want to be treated.

The "odd years" thing was just superficial silliness.

 

[asharmony]

I was taking your side until you said you cheated too; then I lost sympathy and marked it down to treating others the way you want to be treated.

The "odd years" thing was just superficial silliness.

I had no idea that this was some kind of adversarial endeavour for anyone. Why were you taking sides to begin with? I never asked for any support at any point during this thread. I merely explained why I found my involvement with this forum necessary.

You know nothing of who I am or the circles that I run with. I have neither blamed anyone for being unfaithful to me sexually nor have I ever found it necessary to maintain a similar standard for an either indefinite or infinite time period. I like to embrace the full, ambient spectrum of human emotions; dark and light. Life is more colourful that way.

Your responses to me, however, are, um... creepy dude.

 

[asharmony]

The goal is a new experience that enriches and enhances your consciousness and quality of your lived moments of life.

This reinforces similar advice I've been receiving very recently. It's been falling on deaf ears for arbitrary reasons, but now I feel more inclined to accept it more readily and practice it more forwardly.

 

[sayak83]

This reinforces similar advice I've been receiving very recently. It's been falling on deaf ears for arbitrary reasons, but now I feel more inclined to accept it more readily and practice it more forwardly.

Here is a thought experiment.
Suppose theism is true and the goal of life is to get to heaven and be with God. Now what is the purpose or reason for being with God in heaven. The only plausible answer is that being with God somehow maximizes the quality of our experiences as we live them in heaven. So, then, the purpose of going to heaven and hence the purpose of life is to maximize the quality of our lived experiences in life. So why not do it right now and right here and let heaven (or lack of it) take care of itself.

 

[Thief]

Left what? This is a public internet forum. I can post here whenever I want.

yes of course.....

but there was never a point to make
it was a question

only that ...nothing more

 

[Axe Elf]

I had no idea that this was some kind of adversarial endeavour for anyone. Why were you taking sides to begin with? I never asked for any support at any point during this thread. I merely explained why I found my involvement with this forum necessary.

You know nothing of who I am or the circles that I run with. I have neither blamed anyone for being unfaithful to me sexually nor have I ever found it necessary to maintain a similar standard for an either indefinite or infinite time period. I like to embrace the full, ambient spectrum of human emotions; dark and light. Life is more colourful that way.

Your responses to me, however, are, um... creepy dude.

So you're a cheater AND you take offense to unsolicited support. Surely you won't be single for long.

 

[asharmony]

So you're a cheater AND you take offense to unsoiicited support. Surely you won't be single for long.

Jeez, you must have some serious personal issues to react like this.

I don't take offence to anyone offering any support towards me - I never even implied such a thing. I simply stated that I did not expressly ask for or appeal to any of the total strangers on this internet forum for any emotional assistance; instead: I made an initial post which held the sole purpose of illustrating why I decided to sign up to this forum and what I hoped to gain from it.

You, for whatever reason, inferred that I was in need of some "support" when I never asked for it.

As I said before: I have no need for any emotional support from anonymous strangers on the internet. I have more than enough friends, family and passing acquaintances to meet that personal need for me.

All I did was explain the reasons as to why my interest in spiritual matters has become something of a focus point me me at this stage in my life and why this has led me to observe and engage with this forum. I'm impressed by most of the responses that I've already received in this thread and have already found them to be useful instruments in moving towards that end.

You, on the other hand, seem to have such a myopic outlook on life that you can't even conceive of any social situations, sexual dynamics or emotional propensities that deviate from your own concept of morality and ethics - I guarantee that this has had an overwhelmingly isolating effect on your life as a whole which is why you were so quick to snap at someone you've never met and have no understanding of the circumstances that surround them.

But, you know: people are complex creatures; not a day goes by where either an event, a comment or an action by someone around me amazes me and, I believe, improves me as an individual.

I assume that you, on the other hand, would absolutely not have that affect on me; if your personality is anything like the way you've engaged with me in this thread, I'm assuming that you probably lead a relatively boring life which is unfortunately infused with bland yet severe unfair judgements and labels that you place on those around you.

I decided a long time ago that life's too short to bother with people like that.

Good luck.

 

[Axe Elf]

Jeez, you must have some serious personal issues to react like this.

I don't take offence to anyone offering any support towards me - I never even implied such a thing. I simply stated that I did not expressly ask for or appeal to any of the total strangers on this internet forum for any emotional assistance; instead: I made an initial post which held the sole purpose of illustrating why I decided to sign up to this forum and what I hoped to gain from it.

You, for whatever reason, inferred that I was in need of some "support" when I never asked for it.

As I said before: I have no need for any emotional support from anonymous strangers on the internet. I have more than enough friends, family and passing acquaintances to meet that personal need for me.

All I did was explain the reasons as to why my interest in spiritual matters has become something of a focus point me me at this stage in my life and why this has led me to observe and engage with this forum. I'm impressed by most of the responses that I've already received in this thread and have already found them to be useful instruments in moving towards that end.

You, on the other hand, seem to have such a myopic outlook on life that you can't even conceive of any social situations, sexual dynamics or emotional propensities that deviate from your own concept of morality and ethics - I guarantee that this has had an overwhelmingly isolating effect on your life as a whole which is why you were so quick to snap at someone you've never met and have no understanding of the circumstances that surround them.

But, you know: people are complex creatures; not a day goes by where either an event, a comment or an action by someone around me amazes me and, I believe, improves me as an individual.

I assume that you, on the other hand, would absolutely not have that affect on me; if your personality is anything like the way you've engaged with me in this thread, I'm assuming that you probably lead a relatively boring life which is unfortunately infused with bland yet severe unfair judgements and labels that you place on those around you.

I decided a long time ago that life's too short to bother with people like that.

Good luck.

Well I didn't want to hold you until the tears were gone or anything. It wasn't even really "you" I was supporting. It was more about contradicting whoever it was who said that your friends weren't very good friends if they slept with your man--I put more responsibility on the person in a relationship than I do on the friends. Then when the condition changed to both people in the relationship cheating, I can no longer find fault with either partner--people can't expect to be treated better than they treat others.

The only thing that has become personal about any of this is my understanding of why you're single, which deepens with each of your vitriolic protestations.

 

[Akivah]

I struggle to see the ultimate goal in pursuits such as the examples you gave. They seem empty to me.

Rather like your drug use.

 

[asharmony]

]people can't expect to be treated better than they treat others

Please direct me where I said that I expect to be treated better than I treat others.

You won't find anything other than a straw man.

And, no; I'm not single anymore - I met someone this week and, even in such remarkably early stages, we've already connected on a surprisingly profound level and enjoyed the time we've spent with each other.

To flip it on you: I'd suggest basing your interpersonal relationships on something more tangible. I don't expect to "meet" anyone on this forum in any meaningful way and I have nothing but pity towards anyone who does.

 

[asharmony]

Rather like your drug use.

Not really.

My past drug use has had some overwhelmingly positive and lasting benefits to my life. It held intrinsic goals and resulted in subjective personal achievements socially, sensually and, indeed, spiritually. They will last forever and I will be grateful for them for the rest of my life.

I accepted a while ago that those behaviours have an expiration date and are now nothing more than a selfish self-indulgence, so I'm minimising it or avoiding it altogether from here on out.

So, even though your attempt at highlighting a correlation between my response to that above post and my allusion to drug use was incredibly flawed, I will grant you a pale (if not even mild) acknowledgement of some weak truth in your one-line, self-righteous throwaway comment.

 

[Axe Elf]

Please direct me where I said that I expect to be treated better than I treat others.

Please direct me where I said that you did.

You won't find anything other than a straw man.

I think THIS straw figure is wearing a skirt.

And, no; I'm not single anymore - I met someone this week and, even in such remarkably early stages, we've already connected on a surprisingly profound level and enjoyed the time we've spent with each other.

Ah, love. Isn't it always like that at first? Check back with me in three months. You take general statements personally, you cheat on your partners, you rant about nothing (see your next quote)--oh yeah, this is gonna last.

To flip it on you: I'd suggest basing your interpersonal relationships on something more tangible. I don't expect to "meet" anyone on this forum in any meaningful way and I have nothing but pity towards anyone who does.

Well, that's certainly off-topic, but I can see you have strong feelings about it.