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Hillary Clinton is Far More Honest Than the Propagandists are Telling You

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Seems to suggest democrats are somehow immune to the same accusations?
Not at all, they have ratings and fact checkers on them, too. But you would rather "think for yourself" (whatever that means) with no evidence than to at least consider that the republican camp makes more false statements than the opposition, with document evidence to go with it. Sorry, not buying it until something else comes along to challenge it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It isn't about not thinking for yourself, but there are dedicated teams who give cited sources to their work. This isn't some left winger with an axe to grind. If you have something of equal caliber and research potential, share with the class and prove us all wrong. Until you or someone else steps up to plate, these "biased sources" will continue to tee off on accusations until the right can prove otherwise. A task that has failed miserably up until now.
I go by results than skewed polls and charts like politifact. The facts themselves usually appear after the "fact" hidden by smoke and mirrors of such propaganda sites like politifact.

Want a fact checker outside of one's own determinations?

Ok

It's called political history. It's not hard to see any of the facts after the "facts" play out.

About as accurate as it gets.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I go by results
What results? From where?

It's called political history. It's not hard to see any of the facts after the "facts" play out.

About as accurate as it gets.
You are being ambiguous with no specifics or examples. This is what I am getting at. There are, quite literally, hundreds if not thousands of statements on that website with sources to go with them. I would be very interested to see you take a few of those studies, investigate them, gather sources and then overturn their conclusion. You can talk about "political history" until you are blue in the face, but until you cite sources and present an argument contrary to what has been given, it is nothing but smoke and mirrors with no credible content.
 

Lighthouse

Well-Known Member
Which is why I asked you - what fact checker do you recommend?

I recommend common sense, a neutral mind, not being guillable and naive, being fearless, and not worrying about what others think. And also important is to not get too excited.
 
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idav

Being
Premium Member
Well I have been hearing the old Hillary does her share of lying also.
I remember her rookie days. Her record still stands by what she says. When asked about controversial votes she doesn't say dumb things like "I never said that", she will acknowledge the mistake. The one I can think of is about imposing stricter bankruptcy laws.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I remember her rookie days. Her record still stands by what she says. When asked about controversial votes she doesn't say dumb things like "I never said that", she will acknowledge the mistake. The one I can think of is about imposing stricter bankruptcy laws.
Mmm, maybe, who really knows.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
It could be because:

In a brief but interesting article for The Hill, Mark Mellman cites a few figures that show Republicans tend to change their views and values in order to “follow the leader” during this election season. For instance, two polls show that 83-84% of Republicans now give their support to Trump, whereas last year a third of Republicans said they wouldn't support Trump if he were the nominee.

Another highly informative example:

In 2011, just 36 percent of Republicans believed someone “who commits an immoral act in their personal life can still behave ethically ... in their public office,” according to a PRRI Brookings poll. By October of this year, with Trump’s immorality being trumpeted everywhere, 70 percent of Republicans were distinguishing between politicians’ private and public lives — double the number five years ago.

Here Democrats’ views also evolved, but their level of agreement with this notion rose by a far lesser 12 points.​

https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/opinion/mark-mellman/302771-mellman-follow-the-leader

So perhaps there is difference between Democrats and Republicans in their partisan allegiance?
 

Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
The one naturally built in your head. Best fact checker around.

No it's not. The human brain is filled with cognative biases.

Just because you're convinced that all media except specific right wing media is automatically biased against a conservative point of view does not make it so.

You deny the results of the OP. You say it's biased, but you are presenting absolutely no conrradictory evidence.
If you are thinking for yourself, then what is wrong with the results? How do you know it's wrong.

No one lives in a vacuum. How do you claim any knowledge about the candidates at all without using outside sources? You know that doesn't make any sense.

If you really thought for yourself, you would consider each piece of evidence on its own merits, regardless of it apparently liberally biased source.

You might as well be quoting us bible passages for all the thought you've put into this. . .
 

Ana.J

Active Member
The bias machine.

This one?

poligraf_detektor.jpg
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
I remember her rookie days. Her record still stands by what she says. When asked about controversial votes she doesn't say dumb things like "I never said that", she will acknowledge the mistake.

It’s a wonder that she can remember them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-clinton-couldnt-recall-in-her-fbi-interview/

From the comments section - “This woman had original classification authority as Head of the State Dept and she tells the FBI that she has no knowledge of classification levels!!! She tells the media and the American people that she knows to safekeep classified material but tells the FBI that she has no clue! By her answers, she is telling he FBI that she was incompetent to do her job as Secretary of State! But she wants to be elected as President of the United States? Either she is incompetent or she lies - there is no other alternative.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...i-she-could-not-recall-did-not-recall-did-not

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ab0774c1eaa5_story.html?tid=pm_politics_pop_b
 
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