Hillary Clinton is Fundamentally Honest...

[Revoltingest]

It may not say much about his politics but it tells us a great deal about his methodology and his effectiveness.

No disagreement here.
But there sure is a lotta leeway for interpreting it as positive or negative, eh?
I don't fault people for voting for HIlda.
I just prefer others for the job.

 

[Revoltingest]

Campaign rhetoric?

Donald Trump quote (from a November 2015 speech):
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me... I would bomb the **** out of them. I would just bomb those suckers. That's right. I would blow up the pipes, I would blow up the refine..., I would blow up every inch."

Compared to....

Hillary Clinton quote (from an April 2008 speech ... long before the Iran nuclear deal negotiations began):
"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel)," Clinton said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."
"In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them," she said.
"That's a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic," Clinton said.

Clinton was talking about retaliation against a nuclear strike two presidential campaigns ago. The geopolitical situation has changed a bit since then.

I know what Hilda was talking about.
But this still demonstrates her penchant for war, particularly with Iran.
And such rhetoric shows incredibly bad judgement because it would
inspire Iran's seeking the nuclear MAD defense against us. Here we
are, tying to ramp down their nuclear militarization, & she's working
directly against their cooperation.
Moreover, we (by Iraqi proxy) killed over 1 million Iranians in that war
by supplying Iraq with military assistance such as chemical & biological
weapons. Considering that, & our overthrowing their democratically
elected leader in the 1953 coup, they've increasingly good reason to
fear another attack.

Trump could possibly be a violent prez.
Hillary actually has pursued wrongful wars.

 

[YmirGF]

I agree a private sector record, no matter how good, says almost nothing about how well a person can run a nation. But I think it's common sense that a businessman with an extensive record of shady dealings, such as Trump, is not likely to abruptly turn into a man of sterling character and high integrity upon winning the White House. If Trump is a scoundrel (and much evidence there is that he is a scoundrel) in business, then it's a safe bet he'll be a scoundrel in office. But I understand why fools bet otherwise. After all, they're fools. How else could they bet?

Oh, c'mon, Phil. You could say that about almost any billionaire these days. They all have made "shabby deals' or taken advantage of less skilled players in their fields. Think of the legendary reputation of Microsoft and the chilling effect getting a letter from their legal department has had on tens of thousands of recipients over the years. Or George Soros' unethical manipulation of currencies, legal, but extremely unethical. Or Warren Buffet who famously pushed for higher taxes on the wealthy while maintaining a decade long fight with the IRS over his tax assessments.

 

[Underhill]

Oh, c'mon, Phil. You could say that about almost any billionaire these days. They all have made "shabby deals' or taken advantage of less skilled players in their fields. Think of the legendary reputation of Microsoft and the chilling effect getting a letter from their legal department has had on tens of thousands of recipients over the years. Or George Soros' unethical manipulation of currencies, legal, but extremely unethical. Or Warren Buffet who famously pushed for higher taxes on the wealthy while maintaining a decade long fight with the IRS over his tax assessments.

So what you are saying is that business men are no better than politicians. I might even agree with that, but then it still doesn't help the case for Trump.

 

[YmirGF]

So what you are saying is that business men are no better than politicians. I might even agree with that, but then it still doesn't help the case for Trump.

Not unexpectedly, I disagree as all of these people are excellent leaders, their record proves their merit. Hillary's record shines with a stunning lack of accomplishment. Her time as a senator was almost devoid of any meaningful legislation. Her time as Secretary of State was almost devoid of positive accomplishments. Plus she is now stuck with the albatross of the Obama administrations less than stellar foreign policy failures, for much of which, she was at front and centre stage. And yet, folks want to give her the car keys for a run into the future.... Jeez.

 

[Underhill]

Not unexpectedly, I disagree as all of these people are excellent leaders, their record proves their merit. Hillary's record shines with a stunning lack of accomplishment. Her time as a senator was almost devoid of any meaningful legislation. Her time as Secretary of State was almost devoid of positive accomplishments. Plus she is now stuck with the albatross of the Obama administrations less than stellar foreign policy failures, for much of which, she was at front and centre stage. And yet, folks want to give her the car keys for a run into the future.... Jeez.

Right, except that I spend a lot of time reading articles from non partisan foreign policy experts (Foreign Affairs magazine subscriber here) who say that while imperfect, the middle east was a field of land mines and the administration has managed it about as well as could be expected of anyone. Hindsight, being 20/20, means we would change many things if we could go back. But nobody knew how all of this would turn out.

The secretary of state rarely deals with positive events.

As for her time in office, I agree she didn't have any landmark accomplishments. But neither was she a disaster, and I am from the state that elected her so I kept fairly close tabs.

I think there are better people out there for the job of president. But out of the two we have in front of us now, she is far and away the better.