Hillary For Prez!

[Revoltingest]

No, I'm not advocating for her, but it's time for a thread to argue the pros & cons of her election.
Who likes her?
Who hates her?
Who doesn't care?
Why?

Question (which I can't answer):
To what extent does her political philosophy match her hubby's?
Opinions on this?

 

[technomage]

I don't specifically like or hate Hillary. She's a politician. I have to admit I have a deep-seated distrust of politicians in general, but I'm probably not alone in that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ignoring details, she appears to be just another amalgam of Bush, McCain, Clinton & Obama.
Everything I dislike about the last several decades would would continue.

 

[technomage]

Ignoring details, she appears to be just another amalgam of Bush, McCain, Clinton & Obama.
Everything I dislike about the last several decades would would continue.

Meh, that could be said about everybody in politics! As I hinted in my post above, politicians in general are a sorry bunch.

 

[Revoltingest]

Meh, that could be said about everybody in politics! As I hinted in my post above, politicians in general are a sorry bunch.

Not quite everyone.
There are 3rd parties & other extremists.
I'll vote for one of those.

 

[technomage]

Not quite everyone.
There are 3rd parties & other extremists.
I'll vote for one of those.

Which brings me back to the question I asked before. To you, what does "qualified for president" mean?

 

[Revoltingest]

Which brings me back to the question I asked before. To you, what does "qualified for president" mean?

Other than meeting legal requirements, I look for:
- A political philosophy which matches mine.
(Differences can be acceptable if deleterious effects look minimal.)
- Experience & capability to effect changes I want.
- Low probability of office melt-downs (eg, bimbo eruptions).
- It helps if he's pretty.

 

[technomage]

Other than meeting legal requirements, I look for:
- A political philosophy which matches mine.
(Differences can be acceptable if deleterious effects look minimal.)
- Experience & capability to effect changes I want.

I can see that.

- Low probability of office melt-downs (eg, bimbo eruptions).

LOL! Yeah, definitely!

- It helps if he's pretty.

I can just see the candidates running around singing "I feel pretty, oh so pretty..."

 

[Reverend Rick]

She is a gun grabber so no I would hate for her to be a candidate much less the president

 

[Revoltingest]

I can just see the candidates running around singing "I feel pretty, oh so pretty..."

You've only yourself to blame for my posting this....
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John Edwards Feeling Pretty - YouTube

 

[technomage]

She is a gun grabber so no I would hate for her to be a candidate much less the president

I heard the same arguments about Obama. How many guns has he grabbed?

 

[Revoltingest]

I heard the same arguments about Obama. How many guns has he grabbed?

If I may butt in, tis not that he's succeeded at taking away guns, but
rather that he's on the side of those who try. Hillary is the same.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I heard the same arguments about Obama. How many guns has he grabbed?

One could use the same logic for Roe vs Wade but many will not vote Republican for the same reason

 

[technomage]

If I may butt in, tis not that he's succeeded at taking away guns, but
rather that he's on the side of those who try. Hillary is the same.

See, this is what I mean about checking your facts.

Obama has no problems with gun ownership. He does advocate banning manufacture of certain classes of guns as "assault rifles" (a position that I view as stupid), but he's not advocating taking away anyone's legally owned gun, no matter what class it is.

Yet here comes folks like the NRA who say "He's a gun-grabber." Folks, that's a _lie_ on the part of the NRA: a false accusation. Yet some people believe it as if it were true.

Why are people so willing to believe lies?

 

[technomage]

One could use the same logic for Roe vs Wade but many will not vote Republican for the same reason

That's a separate topic, and one that should be considered for its own circumstances.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No, I'm not advocating for her, but it's time for a thread to argue the pros & cons of her election.
Who likes her?
Who hates her?
Who doesn't care?
Why?

Question (which I can't answer):
To what extent does her political philosophy match her hubby's?
Opinions on this?

I favored Hillary Clinton over Obama and would certainly favor her over any Republican that comes to mind.

 

[Revoltingest]

See, this is what I mean about checking your facts.

Obama is not gun friendly.
See below.

Obama has no problems with gun ownership. He does advocate banning manufacture of certain classes of guns as "assault rifles" (a position that I view as stupid), but he's not advocating taking away anyone's legally owned gun, no matter what class it is.

Note that Obama is of the ilk (Clinton) who redefined "assault rifle" to include look-alikes which
do not fit the definition. It's about fact checking, bub. And this is just the tip of the ice berg.

Yet here comes folks like the NRA who say "He's a gun-grabber." Folks, that's a _lie_ on the part of the NRA: a false accusation. Yet some people believe it as if it were true.
Why are people so willing to believe lies?

Question:
Why are lefties so quick to accuse others of lies, when it's really their own misunderstanding
of the issue? Oh....of course! It's easier & more fun to insult than to understand.
But to get back to the thread's theme, let's recognize that some will like Hillary's stance on
guns, & others will oppose it. We'll get nowhere accusing each other about being wrong or
dishonest about it.

 

[technomage]

Note that Obama is of the ilk (Clinton) who redefined "assault rifle" to include look-alikes which do not fit the definition. It's about fact checking, bub.

There is no such thing as an "assault rifle." There are rifles, and there are carbines. Attempting to classify things as "assault rifles" is what I was referring to as "about stupid."

Why are lefties so quick to accuse others of lies, when it's really their own misunderstanding of the issue? Oh....of course! It's easier & more fun to insult than to understand.

I'm every bit as quick to accuse lefties of lying when the shoe fits. In this particular case, it happens to be lies that originated on the right that we are discussing. And I do not qualify as a "leftie"--my views average out slightly right of center.

More to the point, it is important to counter ANY lies told in the political realm.

 

[Revoltingest]

I favored Hillary Clinton over Obama and would certainly favor her over any Republican that comes to mind.

You don't get off that easy, buster! I want to know your likes & dislikes.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is no such thing as an "assault rifle." There are rifles, and there are carbines. Attempting to classify things as "assault rifles" is what I was referring to as "about stupid."

Oh, are you gonna get an argument from folks on this forum who were military types or weapon designers (me).

I'm every bit as quick to accuse lefties of lying when the shoe fits. In this particular case, it happens to be lies that originated on the right that we are discussing. And I do not qualify as a "leftie"--my views average out slightly right of center.
More to the point, it is important to counter ANY lies told in the political realm.

We must face that there will be different understandings of an issue, & the word "lie" doesn't help things.