Hillary For Prez!

[Daemon Sophic]

Just so people have the facts at their disposal, I have found this site useful.
Hillary Clinton on the Issues

Let's try a different direction.....most of us at RF share some goals:
- Less money spent on wars.
- Less crony capitalism.
- Economic recovery.
- Less domestic spying.
- Better & more efficient health care.
- Strong civil liberties.
- Transparency in government.
- Better education & training of workers.
- Secure borders.
- Less terrorism.
- More things I didn't think of.
Does anyone think Hillary would be more likely to achieve these things than other Dems....or even Pubs.....or...or?

Personally I think Warren has a better track record, but not the level of leadership experience. ? Hillary/Warren 2016?

Either lady has MUCH better creds for ALL of the items you've listed than any of the currently favored republicans. But I will wait tho see who else gets trotted out from all sides.

 

[tytlyf]

Generally speaking, I like Hillary. To me, the burning question is who are the Republicans likely to nominate as it again seems they're on a path of self-destruction.

What both parties need to win elections is the vote of the middle. The people who tend to classify themselves as "independent." A recent Pew Poll found that the young people represent this 'independent' block of voters. So what do both parties contribute to the younger people? People also vote against presidential nominees.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

"Back in my day the white house wa'n't no kitchen!"

 

[esmith]

What both parties need to win elections is the vote of the middle. The people who tend to classify themselves as "independent." A recent Pew Poll found that the young people represent this 'independent' block of voters. So what do both parties contribute to the younger people? People also vote against presidential nominees.

Seems that the young are favoring libertarians Libertarianism Embraced by the Young
and at the CPAC in seems that Rand Paul with his semi-libertarian message was the big winner and nearly half of the voters there were between 18-26.
Is this the direction that the Republican party is taking....more libertarian policies. Rand Paul wins CPAC straw poll ? RT USA
FYI ttylyf your nasty ole Koch brothers support many libertarian principles.
Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and David Koch...... David Koch Supports Gay Marriage, Pot Legalization, And Ending Wars — And You Shouldn’t Be Surprised | Mediaite

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I don't care......

 

[Sunstone]

My impression of Hillary is that she's a corporate Democrat, like both Obama and her husband.

 

[esmith]

I don't care......

If you are referring to my post #44, I can see why you don't care....it goes against some of your beliefs. If it is not referring to my post #44 you should have so indicated what you don't care about. As a matter of fact, why do you not care?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

If you are referring to my post #44, I can see why you don't care....it goes against some of your beliefs. If it is not referring to my post #44 you should have so indicated what you don't care about. As a matter of fact, why do you not care?

I was referring to the question in the OP. As far as me not caring....Well, I'm going to wait to see who's running in 2016. If Hillary runs I will weigh her record and where she stands on the issues alongside all the other candidates. For me it will also depends on the outcomes of the Senate and the House. If the balance stays the same then I will expect more of the same regardless of what side is in the Whitehouse.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

My impression of Hillary is that she's a corporate Democrat, like both Obama and her husband.

This is true. If anyone is expecting anything different they're going to be surprised. She has an opportunity to be a different president but her background and the atmosphere in Washington says otherwise.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Why not have a black woman president?

Condie Rice has more experience and education than Hillary

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Why not have a black woman president?

Why not indeed...?

But honestly it's not about the color of the skin, nor is it about gender.

Condie Rice has more experience and education than Hillary

Actually she doesn't but I give you kudos for trying.....

 

[technomage]

Condie Rice has more experience and education than Hillary

Dr. Rice has repeatedly statesd that she has no interest in elected office. She also is relatively weak in domestic policy making, as her education and experience has all been directed towards foreign policy.

Additionally, her position on abortion ("mildly pro-choice") would make her unacceptable in a Republican primary. Her role in the Iraq war, and in authorizing "enhanced" interrogation techniques (which a majority of Americans consider torture) would make her unelectable in the general election.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Dr. Rice has repeatedly statesd that she has no interest in elected office. She also is relatively weak in domestic policy making, as her education and experience has all been directed towards foreign policy.

Additionally, her position on abortion ("mildly pro-choice") would make her unacceptable in a Republican primary.

I agree.

Her role in the Iraq war, and in authorizing "enhanced" interrogation techniques (which a majority of Americans consider torture) would make her unelectable in the general election.

To be fair Hillary is complicit in this as well considering at the time she was a Senator who voted for the war as well as the Patriot Act.

 

[technomage]

To be fair Hillary is complicit in this as well considering at the time she was a Senator who voted for the war as well as the Patriot Act.

There is "complicit," and there is "directly responsible for." Dr. Rice was directly involved in the development and implementation of the "enhanced Interrogation" policies, and these policies were implemented by the Administrative branch with no input from the Legislative branch.

 

[freethinker44]

There is "complicit," and there is "directly responsible for." Dr. Rice was directly involved in the development and implementation of the "enhanced Interrogation" policies, and these policies were implemented by the Administrative branch with no input from the Legislative branch.

I still want to see Cheney and Bush tried as war criminals.

 

[technomage]

I still want to see Cheney and Bush tried as war criminals.

I will admit ... I want to see all the facts come out. There are certainly enough claims to make any defense difficult, but it is difficult to discern which of the claims are true, and which are politically motivated falsehoods. (And I'm not even bothering with the "9/11 Truther" nonsense--that dog simply will not hunt.)

Cheney and Bush (and Rice) will most likely spend the rest of their lives within the confines of the US, for fear that they would be arrested for trial at the Hague. Yes, the arrest would cause a horrible diplomatic crisis, and no, I don't think any such trial would actually be effective in getting to the actual truth.

 

[freethinker44]

I will admit ... I want to see all the facts come out. There are certainly enough claims to make any defense difficult, but it is difficult to discern which of the claims are true, and which are politically motivated falsehoods. (And I'm not even bothering with the "9/11 Truther" nonsense--that dog simply will not hunt.)

Cheney and Bush (and Rice) will most likely spend the rest of their lives within the confines of the US, for fear that they would be arrested for trial at the Hague. Yes, the arrest would cause a horrible diplomatic crisis, and no, I don't think any such trial would actually be effective in getting to the actual truth.

Regardless of whatever other facts may come out, both Bush and Cheney publicly admitted to authorizing the use of waterboarding, so there is at least enough evidence to convict them.

 

[technomage]

Regardless of whatever other facts may come out, both Bush and Cheney publicly admitted to authorizing the use of waterboarding, so there is at least enough evidence to convict them.

I know. Problem is, if this were to go to trial (and it never will), I don't want it assumed that the waterboarding is the end of the story. I wouldn't want them to plead guilty to authorizing torture to evade inquiry in the planning and prosecution of the war as a whole.

 

[freethinker44]

I know. Problem is, if this were to go to trial (and it never will), I don't want it assumed that the waterboarding is the end of the story. I wouldn't want them to plead guilty to authorizing torture to evade inquiry in the planning and prosecution of the war as a whole.

The waterboarding is enough though. After WWII the US tried and hanged Japanese soldiers for simulated drowning on POWs. So if we follow the precedent set by our own country, they should be executed. Waterboarding is simulated drowning, the US executes people who commit this crime, Bush and Cheney admitted to the crime, they should be executed. Simple. (life in prison I guess if you are against execution).

 

[Dirty Penguin]

There is "complicit," and there is "directly responsible for." Dr. Rice was directly involved in the development and implementation of the "enhanced Interrogation" policies, and these policies were implemented by the Administrative branch with no input from the Legislative branch.

Agreed....:yes: