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Hinduism and meditation
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bhuvana-mohan dasa
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In a family of religions numbering over one billion followers worldwide, it would be hard to speak for all.......this one meditates.....
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ys,
bmd.
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bmd.
JamieA1A
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In a family of religions numbering over one billion followers worldwide, it would be hard to speak for all.......this one meditates.....
ys,
bmd.
LOL! I guess it would be hard to speak for all. I guess a better question would be; Do most? Are the different types of 'Yoga' a part of Hinduism or are they something else?
Sorry, you are right. I was thinking meditation with yoga techniques but that isn't the only form of meditation. My bad.
lapis
New Member
Hare Krsna Madhuri,
That's ok, the word meditate or meditation has become very much a stereotype.
most people (not saying you) think that unless you are sitting down with your legs crossed and are without thought, then you are not in meditation, where meditate actually means to think deeply about something, which by definition cuts out most new age processes which claim you must 'meditate' on nothing.
That's ok, the word meditate or meditation has become very much a stereotype.
most people (not saying you) think that unless you are sitting down with your legs crossed and are without thought, then you are not in meditation, where meditate actually means to think deeply about something, which by definition cuts out most new age processes which claim you must 'meditate' on nothing.
Yes i agree with you, although when I think of meditation I usually think of Kundalini yoga, and meditation on Krishna. But even that is only one form of meditation. I agree that meditation refers to any form of deep concentration.
Hi
The Upanishads recommend meditation. For example, Mundaka, Book Three Part 1:
8 Brahman is not grasped by the eye, nor by speech, nor by the other senses, nor by penance or good works. A man becomes pure through serenity of intellect; thereupon, in meditation, he beholds Him who is without parts.
The Upanishads recommend meditation. For example, Mundaka, Book Three Part 1:
8 Brahman is not grasped by the eye, nor by speech, nor by the other senses, nor by penance or good works. A man becomes pure through serenity of intellect; thereupon, in meditation, he beholds Him who is without parts.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend JamieA1A,
Please understand that Meditation is a state when the individual energy and the universal energy becomes ONE. Meditation is not a practice which one does following a method; though those methods help a great deal and meditators have found the best methods and prescribed them but they are all processes to reach that state of meditation or what can be termed a meditative mind when the mind is free of thoughts and a space created to merge with the universal.
Now, also understand that except humans everything else that is seen or not seen are in a merged state except humans as their minds are mostly occupied with *THOUGHTS* at most times.
However each individual consciously or unconsciously reach that state sometimes even if for a split second when the universal merges with that individual.
However, all religions have developed various process to bring about that state faster and more consciously and sanatan dharma followers are masters in this as they have described it most elaborately and named it YOGA or merging. Yoga or merging can be done in various ways and every act can be used for merging.
If there is any particular method that you like to know about or interested in, am sure, can be found.
Love & rgds
Please understand that Meditation is a state when the individual energy and the universal energy becomes ONE. Meditation is not a practice which one does following a method; though those methods help a great deal and meditators have found the best methods and prescribed them but they are all processes to reach that state of meditation or what can be termed a meditative mind when the mind is free of thoughts and a space created to merge with the universal.
Now, also understand that except humans everything else that is seen or not seen are in a merged state except humans as their minds are mostly occupied with *THOUGHTS* at most times.
However each individual consciously or unconsciously reach that state sometimes even if for a split second when the universal merges with that individual.
However, all religions have developed various process to bring about that state faster and more consciously and sanatan dharma followers are masters in this as they have described it most elaborately and named it YOGA or merging. Yoga or merging can be done in various ways and every act can be used for merging.
If there is any particular method that you like to know about or interested in, am sure, can be found.
Love & rgds
lapis
New Member
Hare Krsna zenzero,
The only reason the individual and the supreme are termed as becoming one is because through intense meditation on the supreme (which I stated before meditation means to think deeply about something eg the Lords name, form, pastimes etc), the thoughts of the individual do not differ from the desires of the lord.
So the state of meditation by definition is not a thought less process as many state and the highest form of meditation is to be absorbed in thought of the lord, or the loving devotional service of the Lord, Bhakti.
The only reason the individual and the supreme are termed as becoming one is because through intense meditation on the supreme (which I stated before meditation means to think deeply about something eg the Lords name, form, pastimes etc), the thoughts of the individual do not differ from the desires of the lord.
So the state of meditation by definition is not a thought less process as many state and the highest form of meditation is to be absorbed in thought of the lord, or the loving devotional service of the Lord, Bhakti.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend lapis,
Beg to differ.
1. Buddha stated: *kill me if you meet me on the WAY*
2. Even Totapuri had to come to the rescue of Ramakrishna Paramhansa to get rid of his attachment with Goddess Kali.
Attachments even with a label [all names are just labels] are attachments, which one has to drop to be totally FREE.
Yes, they can be taken as stepping stones.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds
Beg to differ.
1. Buddha stated: *kill me if you meet me on the WAY*
2. Even Totapuri had to come to the rescue of Ramakrishna Paramhansa to get rid of his attachment with Goddess Kali.
Attachments even with a label [all names are just labels] are attachments, which one has to drop to be totally FREE.
Yes, they can be taken as stepping stones.
Best Wishes.
Love & rgds
Hi
Is there a difference here between Hindu and Buddhist (Zen) mediation? At the core of the Hindu (vedanta) teaching is satchitananda, this is in contrast to Anatta (no permanent self) so what is the "ultimate state" of meditation for the Buddhist? My point is that as I understand it this is where the two paths differ.
I appreciate this is a conceptual quesiton, but perhaps still one which the aspirant must grasp if her/his mind is to recognise the end of the search.
Yours humbly, Onkarah.
Is there a difference here between Hindu and Buddhist (Zen) mediation? At the core of the Hindu (vedanta) teaching is satchitananda, this is in contrast to Anatta (no permanent self) so what is the "ultimate state" of meditation for the Buddhist? My point is that as I understand it this is where the two paths differ.
I appreciate this is a conceptual quesiton, but perhaps still one which the aspirant must grasp if her/his mind is to recognise the end of the search.
Yours humbly, Onkarah.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Onkarah,
The final state that all PATHS/WAYS like to point at are all the same and that is CONSCIOUSNESS.
One can give it different labels in their own languages like Satchitananda, anatta, etc.
It is again the MIND that is looking for differentiations and create issues out of non-issues. This much is certain that finally the mind should not be clinging to anything and be in a state like the darkness and light.
When consciousness [light] is around darkness [thoughts in the mind] is not visible.
Love & rgds
The final state that all PATHS/WAYS like to point at are all the same and that is CONSCIOUSNESS.
One can give it different labels in their own languages like Satchitananda, anatta, etc.
It is again the MIND that is looking for differentiations and create issues out of non-issues. This much is certain that finally the mind should not be clinging to anything and be in a state like the darkness and light.
When consciousness [light] is around darkness [thoughts in the mind] is not visible.
Love & rgds
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Satsangi,
Forget what someone else stated as that is only for the person addressed to and not for everyone.
Kindly explain who is this *GOD* you mention who gives *grace*. How much could you get so far? If you introduce me to him, maybe shall be able to get some of that *grace*.
More after your response.
Love & rgds
Forget what someone else stated as that is only for the person addressed to and not for everyone.
Kindly explain who is this *GOD* you mention who gives *grace*. How much could you get so far? If you introduce me to him, maybe shall be able to get some of that *grace*.
More after your response.
Love & rgds