Hinduism questions

[SomeRandom]

Do you think, if I become a follower of Hinduism, that they will accept me as Transgender?

BONUS QUESTION: Do people who want to be transgender, and the idea of "gender dysphoria", point toward evidence of past lives and reincarnation?

BONUS QUESTION 2: So just how strong was Jarasandha, and why were they so strong?

Depends? I find most people would find it too rude to ask you something that personal to begin with. Some might have hesitance accepting you. Then again there are various deities that gender swap in the literature and there are literal hermaphrodite depictions of God, so your mileage may vary?
As to gender dysphoria being attachment to previous lives (presuming that one believes in the samsara.) I suppose that’s an easy enough conclusion to come to.

I’m generally pretty chill about the “Hijra” but I tend to pretty anti social so.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm not familiar with that stuff. Maybe others can chime in.

It’s an episode in the Mahābhārata. Iirc Jarasandha was born as two halves, then joined into one boy. He couldn’t be killed even if he was cut in half. During a wrestling match with Bhima, Sri Krishna took a twig, broke it in half and gave it to Bhima, motioning to throw the pieces of twig in opposite directions. Bhima sliced Jarasandha in half and threw the twigs. Jarasandha couldn’t rejoin his halves and died.

 

[The Anointed]

I recommend reading and familiarising yourself with Indian religious scripture. For example, the defeat of Jarsandha by Lord Krishna and eventual death by Bhisma is found in the Mahabharata

I have enough trouble trying to understand the One true God of the Abrahamic religion, who is the father of 'The Son of Man' of the Christian religion, without trying to understand the many gods and goddesses of the Hindu religion, of who nobody even know all their names.

 

[River Sea]

It’s an episode in the Mahābhārata. Iirc Jarasandha was born as two halves, then joined into one boy. He couldn’t be killed even if he was cut in half. During a wrestling match with Bhima, Sri Krishna took a twig, broke it in half and gave it to Bhima, motioning to throw the pieces of twig in opposite directions. Bhima sliced Jarasandha in half and threw the twigs. Jarasandha couldn’t rejoin his halves and died.

I understand the story is unrealistic. So that's why I asked, What does that mean? Born as two halves, then put back together. So keep that in mind as you read as I add to my research on Jarasandh so far.

The name Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala here @Jainarayan wrote about Jarasandha was born as two halves, then joined into one boy. Can you two help me understand more the meaning of this story please?

The name Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)

https://www.jatland.com/w/images/6/6e/Ancestry_of_Kuru.jpg

Jara Sandha was born in two parts. He was therefore thrown away outside.
Jara and Rakashasa woman, united the two parts and made the child alive. Hence he was called Jarasandha

My reasoning for researching Jarasandh for the last few days was that I learned from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala that Krishna had a long battle with Jarasandh similar to Moses had a long battle with Pharaoh.

However when I researched more about Jarasandh, because I wanted to know more about Jarasandh, so it's easier for me to remember, then I saw this strange story about Jarasandha. Then I notice @Jainarayan you shared this story too.

Just think even Jarasandh name means this story. But what does that mean to be cut in half and put back together?

Brihadratha is Jarasandh's father. Brihadratha had two wives, twin princesses of Kashi. Brihadratha cut the fruit in half and gave it to both of them. Soon both the wives became pregnant and gave birth to two halves of a human body, later Rakshasi put the two halves body into one, and that's Jarasandh.

The father named the boy as Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)

 

[soulsurvivor]

Do you think, if I become a follower of Hinduism, that they will accept me as Transgender?

It has nothing to do with Hinduism, but Indians are pretty conservative in such matters, so don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. BTW, the head of the RSS (a right-wing Hindu nationalist organization) recently said that LGBTQ individuals are quite compatible with Hinduism and should be discriminated against.

BONUS QUESTION: Do people who want to be transgender, and the idea of "gender dysphoria", point toward evidence of past lives and reincarnation?

I think this is true. Everyone changes genders every few lifetimes maybe after 4 or 5 lives in one gender. I think, transgender people are not quite ready to accept the change in this lifetime - but that is only my personal opinion.

 

[Jainarayan]

I understand the story is unrealistic. So that's why I asked, What does that mean? Born as two halves, then put back together. So keep that in mind as you read as I add to my research on Jarasandh so far.

The name Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala here @Jainarayan wrote about Jarasandha was born as two halves, then joined into one boy. Can you two help me understand more the meaning of this story please?

The name Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)

https://www.jatland.com/w/images/6/6e/Ancestry_of_Kuru.jpg

Jara Sandha was born in two parts. He was therefore thrown away outside.
Jara and Rakashasa woman, united the two parts and made the child alive. Hence he was called Jarasandha

My reasoning for researching Jarasandh for the last few days was that I learned from @Bharat Jhunjhunwala that Krishna had a long battle with Jarasandh similar to Moses had a long battle with Pharaoh.

However when I researched more about Jarasandh, because I wanted to know more about Jarasandh, so it's easier for me to remember, then I saw this strange story about Jarasandha. Then I notice @Jainarayan you shared this story too.

Just think even Jarasandh name means this story. But what does that mean to be cut in half and put back together?

Brihadratha is Jarasandh's father. Brihadratha had two wives, twin princesses of Kashi. Brihadratha cut the fruit in half and gave it to both of them. Soon both the wives became pregnant and gave birth to two halves of a human body, later Rakshasi put the two halves body into one, and that's Jarasandh.

The father named the boy as Jarasandha (meaning the two pieces were brought together by Jara)
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I only related the story as I know it. I have no interpretation or purport for it.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Legend has it he defeated Lord Krishna many times. Then, I believe, Lord Krishna called on another to kill him.

I have never heard of Krishna being defeated by anyone. But you could read this Jarasandha - Wikipedia

 

[River Sea]

I have never heard of Krishna being defeated by anyone. But you could read this Jarasandha - Wikipedia

@soulsurvivor

How was Jarasandha born—by two sisters who're married to the same man, due to this, the baby was born in half to each sister. Then the demon Jara put the baby back together. I wonder if Jarasandha liked demons because a demon saved him from death?

I wonder how no one else was afraid that if they got pregnant at the same time as their sister by the same man, they wouldn't be afraid to give birth to half of a baby each. If this did happen again, would each sister that gave birth to half of a baby then call on the demon Jara to help put the baby back together, hoping to repeat how Jarasandha was saved from death?

If no one was afraid of this happening again, how come that's the case because it happened once, or did people not believe in this past story, so no fears then? Because if it happened once, wouldn't that be a medical case to be concerned about? Be extremely careful if get pregnant at the same time as sister with the same man, because what if the baby is born in half, they'll need to call on demon Jara to put that baby back together. Then could be called Jarasandha II., but no - it never happen again. mmmmm a one time medical situation.... mmmmm....

Check this out

Jarasandha attacked Yadavas at Mathura and forced them to flee to Dwarka. (~move to Goshen).

Yet Krishna survived that attack and fled, and then eventually Krishna and the Yadavas left the Indus Valley and went to an unknown place. @Bharat Jhunjhunwala thinks that the unknown place is Israel.

What do you think this unknown place was?
Have you ever wonder where?

Oh yeah no one did kill Krishna., mmmm oh and Krishna has 5 cousins. Oh and one of Krishna's cousin name Arjuna killed Jarasandha by splitting him in half, and nope no demon Jara put Jarasandha back together then, so that means Jarasandha died

Unbelievable, Jarasandha has this cut in half and put back together tone. Wow, what must it have been like to be Jarasandha? Would you ever want to be Jarasandha? If you were Jarasandha, what do you think it would be like to hear this story about yourself—how a demon saved you from death? But how come demon Jara didn't save Jarasandha the second time when cut in half, when Arjuna split Jarasandha in half and Jarasandha died.

This story is so strange. What caused this story anyways about Jarasandha, how come this story has to be so strange for?

Keep in mind as I learn I love diving deeper in a story and use my imagination

@soulsurvivor and @Bharat Jhunjhunwala Here's a short YouTube video on Jarasandha being born in half to each sister, and then Demon Jara puts the baby back together.

 

[soulsurvivor]

This story is so strange. What caused this story anyways about Jarasandha, how come this story has to be so strange for?

Keep in mind as I learn I love diving deeper in a story and use my imagination

There are many stories of supernatural birth in the Mahabharata. The main protagonists - the Pandavas were themselves born supernaturally. But each story has a symbolic meaning. So it may be more useful to do some study before you let your own imagination go wild.

For the Jarasandha story, you could try reading these articles: Mahabharat Articles . As the author explains, each of us needs to kill 'the Jarasandha' within ourselves (the two sides within us).

 

[River Sea]

For the Jarasandha story, you could try reading these articles: Mahabharat Articles . As the author explains, each of us needs to kill 'the Jarasandha' within ourselves (the two sides within us)

@soulsurvivor
Thank you for sharing the website. I'm still in the process of reading the website you shared. In the meantime, can you share personal scenes in which you kill the Jarasandha within yourself (the two sides within you)?

 

[soulsurvivor]

@soulsurvivor
Thank you for sharing the website. I'm still in the process of reading the website you shared. In the meantime, can you share personal scenes in which you kill the Jarasandha within yourself (the two sides within you)?

I am afraid I am not sure I have managed to kill anything within myself and there is more than just Jarasandha. All of us are still struggling with our internal battles.

We are going way off topic here, but here is more stuff to chew on:

The Mahabharata can be viewed as an allegory with the battle of Kurukshetra being an internal battle within each human being. Each character in the Mahabharata has been described as a figure internal to the human form (both body and soul), the characters in this epic drama are (according to some interpretations):

Vyasa - the soul
Dhritarashtra - the blind mind
Pandu - the pranic body
Kunti - buddhi (or mental body)
Madri - the astral body
The five Pandavas - the five Chakras (for instance Arjun is the throat chakra, Bhim is the heart chakra)
Draupadi - the Kundalini shakti (married to all five chakras)
Krishna - the sixth Chakra
The 1000 Kauravas - the vasanas, the bad habits, the bad tendencies that beset all humans

So, Jarasandha is really just a side-story not the main one. Killing the Kauravas in you, is as important as killing Jarasandha in you and after doing that, you have to raise the kundalini (Draupadi) through the five chakras

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I am afraid I am not sure I have managed to kill anything within myself and there is more than just Jarasandha. All of us are still struggling with our internal battles.

We are going way off topic here, but here is more stuff to chew on:

The Mahabharata can be viewed as an allegory with the battle of Kurukshetra being an internal battle within each human being. Each character in the Mahabharata has been described as a figure internal to the human form (both body and soul), the characters in this epic drama are (according to some interpretations):

Vyasa - the soul
Dhritarashtra - the blind mind
Pandu - the pranic body
Kunti - buddhi (or mental body)
Madri - the astral body
The five Pandavas - the five Chakras (for instance Arjun is the throat chakra, Bhim is the heart chakra)
Draupadi - the Kundalini shakti (married to all five chakras)
Krishna - the sixth Chakra
The 1000 Kauravas - the vasanas, the bad habits, the bad tendencies that beset all humans

So, Jarasandha is really just a side-story not the main one. Killing the Kauravas in you, is as important as killing Jarasandha in you and after doing that, you have to raise the kundalini (Draupadi) through the five chakras

Does this symbolism have an abrahamic parallel?

 

[soulsurvivor]

Does this symbolism have an Abrahamic parallel?

I am not quite sure what you mean. The OT has a lot of symbolism in Genesis, but not much after that. However, I am no Bible scholar to answer this question.

 

[River Sea]

The five Pandavas - the five Chakras (for instance Arjun is the throat chakra, Bhim is the heart chakra)

@soulsurvivor

Bhim is the heart chakra. very interesting. How did Krishna's cousins become associated to chakras?

Have you ever felt warmth in your spiritual heart? Please interpret this in your words. I only borrow words to help me articulate. So now could I write spiritual Bhim, which means spiritual heart, because Bhim means heart? Who is Bhim, actually? In what scenes was Krishna with Bhim? That would be an interesting study.

I've felt burning warmth in my spirit heart (Bhim), which I consider spiritual food. Can you relate to this, or am I comprehending this word differently?

I used to often write; when I allowed light to teach me, I feel light feed me.

Keep in mind I'm learning, and yes, I could be wrong. Yep I'm wrong a lot of times and it's ok to be wrong cause I learn in my errors too.

I hope this is ok to discuss in this thread about questions about Hinduism.
I did learn a new word, Bhim, and yes, I'll look up this word to learn
Because who are the five cousins of Krishna, actually? How did they change these people into the Chakras? How did that happen and why?

I am afraid I am not sure I have managed to kill anything within myself and there is more than just Jarasandha. All of us are still struggling with our internal battles.

@soulsurvivor me too; I can't kill anything in me either; all I can do is allow myself to learn, and I notice that I tend to re-learn as well. Can you relate to learning and re-learning?

I still feel stressed that Jarasandha didn't even know who his birth mom was because both sisters kept this information hidden from him. How could these two sisters keep that information from him? How much was Jarasandha a victim of his situation, and the idea of being a king in itself must cause a person a need to protect their status. How does anyone manage to be a king, yet Krishna was a nice king? Was he? Was Krishna a king ever? If so, how did Krishna become so nice and Jarasandha become so mean? Did circumstances caused this? If Krishna was born in Jarasandha' situation would Krishna be mean?

You were saying two in us and to kill that area, what happens after that person actually kills? Where does that area go then? What happens if that area comes back—is that rebirth that was killed? What is that that is actually being killed? Is it the mind of the spirit or what? What is the distinction between killing and learning?

I think through more learning vs. killing

Is this Hinduism a killer of what area and why?

How come Jarasandha is not the full focus? What does that mean when you wrote quote

So, Jarasandha is really just a side-story not the main one. Killing the Kauravas in you, is as important as killing Jarasandha in you and after doing that, you have to raise the kundalini (Draupadi) through the five chakras

What is Kauravas? Is that an army? How come to focus on the army compared to the king? I'm confused. Can you help me with this?

 

[River Sea]

Does this symbolism have an abrahamic parallel?

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala

I'm learning in this thread that Krishna's cousins are the chakras; are Moses cousins chakras too? If not, how come?

How did people choose what past history people to turn into chakras?

I'm going to add this video, and can you tell me what this video is about, please?

रामलीला श्रीनगर2023 | Day 11 | भरत मिलाप @bhaneshaswaluk12

 

[Vinayaka]

It has nothing to do with Hinduism, but Indians are pretty conservative in such matters, so don't expect to be welcomed with open arms. BTW, the head of the RSS (a right-wing Hindu nationalist organization) recently said that LGBTQ individuals are quite compatible with Hinduism and should be discriminated against.

I think this is true. Everyone changes genders every few lifetimes maybe after 4 or 5 lives in one gender. I think, transgender people are not quite ready to accept the change in this lifetime - but that is only my personal opinion.

Why would the leader of RSS say it's quite compatible and should be discriminated against. On a side note, RSS does amazing on the ground charity work, like at the Nepal earthquake. Somehow, that gets conveniently overlooked by western and anti-Hindu Indian press. Here's an example: India is Witnessing Millions of RSS Volunteers Carrying Out Massive Relief Operations

 

[soulsurvivor]

Because who are the five cousins of Krishna, actually? How did they change these people into the Chakras? How did that happen and why?

The five Pandavas are Yudhishtira, Bhima, Arjuna, Nakula and Sahadeva. That they were cousins of Krishna is not that important. They did not change into anything. They represent the five Chakras.

The 1000 Kauravas are the enemies of the Pandavas (also their cousins. In the Mahabharata more of less everyone is related)

 

[soulsurvivor]

Why would the leader of RSS say it's quite compatible and should be discriminated against. On a side note, RSS does amazing on the ground charity work, like at the Nepal earthquake. Somehow, that gets conveniently overlooked by western and anti-Hindu Indian press. Here's an example: India is Witnessing Millions of RSS Volunteers Carrying Out Massive Relief Operations

Sorry, that was a typo that I had not noticed. He actually said 'should NOT be discriminated against'. Looks like I cannot edit/correct it anymore.

 

[Vinayaka]

Sorry, that was a typo that I had not noticed. He actually said 'should NOT be discriminated against'. Looks like I cannot edit/correct it anymore.

Thanks.

 

[River Sea]

@soulsurvivor

Bhim is the heart chakra. very interesting. How did Krishna's cousins become associated to chakras?

Have you ever felt warmth in your spiritual heart? Please interpret this in your words. I only borrow words to help me articulate. So now could I write spiritual Bhim, which means spiritual heart, because Bhim means heart? Who is Bhim, actually? In what scenes was Krishna with Bhim? That would be an interesting study.

I've felt burning warmth in my spirit heart (Bhim), which I consider spiritual food. Can you relate to this, or am I comprehending this word differently?

I used to often write; when I allowed light to teach me, I feel light feed me.

Keep in mind I'm learning, and yes, I could be wrong. Yep I'm wrong a lot of times and it's ok to be wrong cause I learn in my errors too.

I hope this is ok to discuss in this thread about questions about Hinduism.
I did learn a new word, Bhim, and yes, I'll look up this word to learn
Because who are the five cousins of Krishna, actually? How did they change these people into the Chakras? How did that happen and why?



@soulsurvivor me too; I can't kill anything in me either; all I can do is allow myself to learn, and I notice that I tend to re-learn as well. Can you relate to learning and re-learning?

I still feel stressed that Jarasandha didn't even know who his birth mom was because both sisters kept this information hidden from him. How could these two sisters keep that information from him? How much was Jarasandha a victim of his situation, and the idea of being a king in itself must cause a person a need to protect their status. How does anyone manage to be a king, yet Krishna was a nice king? Was he? Was Krishna a king ever? If so, how did Krishna become so nice and Jarasandha become so mean? Did circumstances caused this? If Krishna was born in Jarasandha' situation would Krishna be mean?

You were saying two in us and to kill that area, what happens after that person actually kills? Where does that area go then? What happens if that area comes back—is that rebirth that was killed? What is that that is actually being killed? Is it the mind of the spirit or what? What is the distinction between killing and learning?

I think through more learning vs. killing

Is this Hinduism a killer of what area and why?

How come Jarasandha is not the full focus? What does that mean when you wrote quote



What is Kauravas? Is that an army? How come to focus on the army compared to the king? I'm confused. Can you help me with this?

I was learning how @soulsurvivor understands Hinduism.

Why would anybody think this is just post facto association - please explain why? @soulsurvivor @Bthoth @Bharat Jhunjhunwala do you see my response as facto association

What is facto association?