Hinduism's Karma And Rebirth Cycle Refuted

[Brian2]

Here's an analogy. A great actor will allow himself to forget that he is this great famous talented actor and identify himself for a limited time with the character he is portraying.

Why? Why do humans do things with no practical purpose (plays/drama, art). Answer: To Experience.

Experience what it is like to murder and torture and rape and steal etc etc
It's a good thing that each of us is God and so God is doing that to God and so it is OK.
I get more cynical when I hear that it all ends one day and then starts again in a cyclical fashion.
God must love to experience Himself suffering.
Certainly beats sitting around bored for eternity I guess.
I wonder what will happen if the universe does not contract again and actually goes on forever expanding.

 

[Brian2]

Not sure how karma is an evil idea but being eternally blamed for two people eating fruit is better?

IMO we aren't blamed for what Adam and Eve did, but we humans weren't ready for the knowledge of good and evil and so we keep on doing what is wrong and so are blamed for our own sins. We all end up dying because of that and because God did not want us to eat of the tree of life in that state and without repenting and so live forever as people who just keep sinning.

 

[Glaurung]

This shows us how unjust, despairing and highly cruel this vicious cycle really is. This belief system is dangerous because it counts on you NOT being able to figure out what bad things you did in the past since you are at all times FINITE while on the earth and not infinitely complex.

There's a school of thought which believes Earth to be a soul farm controlled by entities called Archons. These entities are sustained by the suffering of earthly beings and so seek to trap as many souls they can get their hands on into an endless cycle of death and rebirth here on Earth. Human life is filled with suffering by design and the belief in karma is just one of their many deceptions designed to manufacture the consent necessary to perpetuate the cycle. Consent of the to be reincarnated is necessary because free will is law in the astral/spiritual planes of existence. These entities must rely on deception to convince souls to accept a memory wipe and a consequent reincarnation. The idea that you're here to learn is nonsense. You can't learn anything if your memory is wiped after every class.

Moreover, NDEs are not to be trusted. Not because all NDEers are lying about their experiences but because they've likely had the wool pulled over their eyes by the Archons. Which explains why NDEs tend to be similar in structure but all over the place in the details.

 

[George-ananda]

Experience what it is like to murder and torture and rape and steal etc etc
It's a good thing that each of us is God and so God is doing that to God and so it is OK.
I get more cynical when I hear that it all ends one day and then starts again in a cyclical fashion.
God must love to experience Himself suffering.
Certainly beats sitting around bored for eternity I guess.
I wonder what will happen if the universe does not contract again and actually goes on forever expanding.

The play ends in victory for each character. A return to Oneness, Bliss, Love.

Look at it like a play with a happy ending for all characters. Drama in the early and middle acts are always part of a great play. The drama is always temporary and produces something towards the positive ending but at the time of the drama we cannot see the whole script.

 

[Brian2]

The play ends in victory for each character. A return to Oneness, Bliss, Love.

Look at it like a play with a happy ending for all characters. Drama in the early and middle acts are always part of a great play. The drama is always temporary and produces something towards the positive ending but at the time of the drama we cannot see the whole script.

I do look at it something like that with God knowing the ending and knowing that the end made the rest of it worthwhile.
I guess the difference is that I see it as serious and real life and death stuff with real suffering and not just as a play instigated by a bored deity.
And of course when the God of the Bible became a man He did not turn into a monster, raping and stealing and murdering. His basic nature of love remained all through His earthly life.
I guess that might be why afaik in Hinduism it is said that God is beyond right and wrong, good and evil. It fits the script of the play.

 

[Muffled]

Not in my opinion.

I believe I agree. Each life is a learning experience and an opportunity to be saved. Of course God may choose this as a judgment for a person's sins but the way to resolve that is not to sin and Jesus provides the way for that to happen.

 

[Muffled]

Not sure how karma is an evil idea but being eternally blamed for two people eating fruit is better?

I believe sinners do not like the idea that they have to pay for their sins. The idea that Adam and Eve were the first to sin is bogus.

 

[Muffled]

Through attachment to material and ego things we forget our true nature as spiritual beings.

I believe that is true but it is also true that one may concentrate on spiritual things so much that the benefits of being in the world are missed. As Jesus said be in the world but not of it.

 

[The Hammer]

Which explains why NDEs tend to be similar in structure but all over the place in the details.

It comes down to language and culture. That's where the differences lie.