Historicity of Claimed Miracles

[Sapiens]

There is historical evidence.

If there was you'd have detailed it by now.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Truth value?

Patience.

There is really good contemporaneous documentation of Caesar and this life and his death. There is none when it comes to Christ. No double standards, same standard applied to each of them, one is support the other is absent.

I just gave the evidence, so I would expect what I presented to be addressed instead of the typical continuous denial of what was presented, which seems to happen all the time.

Resurrection is a concept from out of the blue, outside of nature, it has never occurred, and never will, even if we are willing to grant the possibility in this one case ...

Please provide evidence of your claim that a resurrection has never occured in the history of mankind. If you can't do it, then please apologize for making unproven claims.

it is hardly the "best explanation" and falls in the realm (literally) of deus ex machina.

It is.

 

[Sapiens]

Patience.

Why?

I just gave the evidence, so I would expect what I presented to be addressed instead of the typical continuous denial of what was presented, which seems to happen all the time.

Everything you posted has been addressed, ad infinitum. Waste of bandwith to just do it again.

Please provide evidence of your claim that a resurrection has never occured in the history of mankind. If you can't do it, then please apologize for making unproven claims.

That's is the most ridiculous attempt to shift the burden. Extraordinary claims, of which resurrection from the dead is certainly one, requires extraordinary evidence (of which you provide none). Stop wasting everyone's time with your BS, come back when you know what your doing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

For those that do take Matthew 27 literally, they take it literally under the premise that God exists, and if God exists, and he allowed dead people to come back to life, then that is his prerogative.

If God exist then resurrections are neither improbable or implausible. If God doesn't exist, then I would be just as skeptical as you are.

It's plausible that I had Cheerios for breakfast this morning, but I didn't. Most plausible things don't actually happen. Do you have any evidence that what you consider plausible did happen?

Even taking it as given that God existed and was capable of raising people from the dead, if the dead really did walk into Jerusalem in front of many people, we'd expect to hear more about it than just the account in Matthew. Why don't the other Gospel authors mention it? Why don't we have non-Christian authors co-opting the event as proof of *their* gods? Why did only one person notice this astounding event?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Yup..sometime. But see, first we have to get the b.s out of the way, which is exactly why I will let my part 1 sit there for a little bit...so that the crap that you were (and are currently) bringing forth now will be already out of the way as we move right along.

Wait....so I can't discuss this now because it will be explained in the 2nd part of your argument but we are letting this sit because you want to get past it before you start the 2nd part of your argument?

where exactly do I get my answers then?

It is all relevant, you just don't see it yet.

Then state your case. This has gone beyond drole

There is historical evidence.

Hopefully other than what you have so far mentioned. Otherwise it seems a bit flat.

 

[Sapiens]

Wait....so I can't discuss this now because it will be explained in the 2nd part of your argument but we are letting this sit because you want to get past it before you start the 2nd part of your argument?

where exactly do I get my answers then?


Then state your case. This has gone beyond drole



Hopefully other than what you have so far mentioned. Otherwise it seems a bit flat.

Bait and switch BS

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Bait and switch BS

Yeah he is famous for that.

 

[cottage]

It's plausible that I had Cheerios for breakfast this morning, but I didn't. Most plausible things don't actually happen. Do you have any evidence that what you consider plausible did happen?

Even taking it as given that God existed and was capable of raising people from the dead, if the dead really did walk into Jerusalem in front of many people, we'd expect to hear more about it than just the account in Matthew. Why don't the other Gospel authors mention it? Why don't we have non-Christian authors co-opting the event as proof of *their* gods? Why did only one person notice this astounding event?

Good point! That particular account from Matthew is an embarrassment for Biblical scholars. No amount of careful study or exegesis can produce further witnesses to those events where none are mentioned.

 

[Shuttlecraft]

That particular account from Matthew is an embarrassment for Biblical scholars. No amount of careful study or exegesis can produce further witnesses to those events where none are mentioned.

When Jesus died, "reality" heaved and buckled, so no wonder spooky things happened!
And, "many" people saw the things, so how many more eyewitnesses do we need?

Matt 27-
50-Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51- And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52- And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53- And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[Ingledsva]

When Jesus died, "reality" heaved and buckled, so no wonder spooky things happened!
And, "many" people saw the things, so how many more eyewitnesses do we need?

Matt 27-
50-Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51- And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52- And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53- And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Didn't happen, - no evidence!


Such events would be recorded by amazed people, - outside - the Christian story.

There are no such accounts, not even from individual Christians that were supposedly there, - just a story written much later claiming such happened.



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[Shuttlecraft]

..Such events would be recorded by amazed people, - outside - the Christian story.
There are no such accounts...

Think SHREDDER..
When Christianity began snowballing in popularity after Jesus's execution, the snooty priests and Romans said - "Oops better not let on it was us who killed him, quick shred all the documents and eyewitness accounts implicating us or we'll have a Jesusgate scandal on our hands!
Let's airbrush him out of history and start hassling christians, and people will soon quickly forget about him"..

 

[Ingledsva]

Think SHREDDER..
When Christianity began snowballing in popularity after Jesus's execution, the snooty priests and Romans said - "Oops better not let on it was us who killed him, quick shred all the documents and eyewitness accounts implicating us or we'll have a Jesusgate scandal on our hands!
Let's airbrush him out of history and start hassling christians, and people will soon quickly forget about him"..

LOL! Not!



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