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Hitchen's Challange

SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
DNB said:
Love was the same love, and for all the same reasons all throughout history, as was hate, compassion, altruism, charity, avarice and lasciviousness. Nothing has changed as far as the heart of man is concerned. Therefore, the Bible is as pertinent and valid as it was from 3,500 years ago, as it is today.
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How many slaves do you own then?
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
SkepticThinker said:
Here's a succinct explanation for how I go about doing it:

"I get my limits from a rational consideration of the consequences of my actions, that's how I determine what's moral. I get it from a foundation that says my actions have an effect on those people around me, and theirs have an effect on me, and if we're going to live cooperatively and share space, we have to recognize that impact. And my freedom to swing my arm ends ends at their nose, and that I have no right to impose my will over somebody else's will in that type of scenario. That's where I get them from. I get them from an understanding of reality, not an assertion of authority.”
-Matt Dillahunty
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What is rational in this context?
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
SkepticThinker said:
Based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
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Reason as:
-a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.
-the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

Or something else. BTW I am also a skeptic and we are only a few steps away for the is-ought problem and if you can do morality in a rational sense or end up in subjective evaluation.
But try your best.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
mikkel_the_dane said:
Reason as:
-a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.
-the power of the mind to think, understand, and form judgements logically.

Or something else. BTW I am also a skeptic and we are only a few steps away for the is-ought problem and if you can do morality in a rational sense or end up in subjective evaluation.
But try your best.
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I just gave you an explanation about how I "do morality."

Morality is about the well-being of sentient creatures, imo. Well-being is the "objective value," if you will. Why else would we care about right/wrong or good actions versus bad actions? So I weigh out the consequences of my actions in regards to how they effect the well-being of the other sentient creatures I share the planet with, including myself. If an action is harmful to people, It can be a wrong/bad action and if it helps people, it can be a right/good action.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
SkepticThinker said:
I just gave you an explanation about how I "do morality."

Morality is about the well-being of sentient creatures, imo. Well-being is the "objective value," if you will. Why else would we care about right/wrong or good actions versus bad actions? So I weigh out the consequences of my actions in regards to how they effect the well-being of the other sentient creatures I share the planet with, including myself. If an action is harmful to people, It can be a wrong/bad action and if it helps people, it can be a right/good action.
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Well, I get you, but I don't consider it objective. So let us leave it there.
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

Veteran Member
DNB said:
Love was the same love, and for all the same reasons all throughout history, as was hate, compassion, altruism, charity, avarice and lasciviousness.
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All your posts have shown is hatred mate. Blind bigoted hatred of millions of people who happen to have been born gay. Your vapid platitudes above love are ringing hollow sorry.

Nothing has changed as far as the heart of man is concerned.
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Again this is errant nonsense else our societies would still be clinging doggedly to the barbaric "morals" that are ubiquitous in both bible and koran.

Therefore, the Bible is as pertinent and valid as it was from 3,500 years ago, as it is today.
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So you think slavery is ok then, and sex trafficking virginal female prisoners of war, and ethnic cleansing, and stoning unruly children, and you never eat crops grown near other crops, or wear more than one type of fabric, or ever eat shellfish?

:rolleyes:
 
Sheldon

Sheldon

Veteran Member
robocop (actually) said:
Of course!

Miracles can't be performed among the non-believing, so unless the scientists believe they won't detect it.
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So you accept there is no objective evidence for any miracle, that's refreshing. I did not mention science, so that is clearly a straw man, theists seem far more obsessed with science than atheists in my experience.

Another problem for the claims that abound for miracles, is that miracles are defined precisely as an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. If something is irrational by definition, then it hardly bodes well.
 
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