Hitchen's Challange

[KWED]

Oh great. I guess we'll just pretend like they don't systematically molest children and shield the perpetrators from punishment.

Ah, the "Jimmy Savile defence".
Never a good ploy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Depends on the reasons for the divorce, also on who initiated the divorce - the victim will not be perceived as the wrong-doer.

What if neither are "victims?"

Homosexuality implies that one's character is either corrupt, confused, impressionable, or vulnerable.

How so? You still haven't explained.

Gender defines character, purpose, capabilities, and roles. Almost every single living entity on earth has a gender, and this intrinsic and immutable fact plays such an integral part in the symbiosis of the relationship (what one lacks, the other fulfills), and the proliferation and sustainment of one's species.

So you claim, but since you're not even aware that gender is a social construct, I see no reason to lend any credence to your opinion on the subject.

 

[Sheldon]

Ah, the "Jimmy Savile defence".
Never a good ploy.

He received a papal medal from the Vatican as well, speaks volumes really.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Humanity will not subsist if all were homosexuals.

Humanity will not subsist if everyone born from tomorrow onward is a woman.
So what?? Does that make being a woman immoral?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I believe that it destroys good character, that is, all forms of sexual deviancies. I've never met a promiscuous person that I could call a lady or a gentleman, and I've never met a homosexual (for the large part) that didn't have a major character flaw; not necessarily in behaviour, but when pressed for their views on a particular issue. It is then that one starts to see the imbalance in their perception.

Why do you assume that gay people are promiscuous? Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[Sheldon]

What if neither are "victims?"


How so? You still haven't explained.

So you claim, but since you're not even aware that gender is a social construct, I see no reason to lend any credence to your opinion on the subject.

Sadly it's a mindset that is hard to educate in some. Reminds me of this:

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes, the same governmental services and infrastructure, but they have truly corrupted the social aspect of society. How many children these days have no flippin' clue what gender that they are, due to the utter demented rhetoric of the lgbtq community.

What does that have to do with homosexuality?

 

[ppp]

He received a papal medal from the Vatican as well, speaks volumes really.

Oh, hell no! I could have gone a lifetime without knowing that tidbit.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My point was, why do you advocate the principle that something that intrinsically isn't one particular thing, can be what it's not?

And, again, you really need to quit playing the bigot card. I was, and still can be, a perverted and shameful person. For the sake of this argument, I don't approve of many of the things that I catch myself doing, I want them to stop. I will never endorse, indiscriminately, all the actions that I take, I will denounce them and say that they are either disgusting or corrupt.

But, you, on the other hand, cannot tell right from wrong.

Stop saying bigoted stuff then.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am not basing my views on cultural standards or popular thought. A man has a penis, and a woman has a vagina, and life engenders life by this fundamental and intrinsic principle alone - this should end the conversation.
Your views are shallow, licentious and pretentious - oblivious to the confusion and destruction that it causes, both in one's mind and society's conventions.
Nothing more peculiar and shameful than dealing with an effeminate and flamboyant man, or one who is androgynous.

Wow. Just wow.

Morality has not evolved, it has become nothing more than defiant and licentious in time, not compassionate and well-reasoned as you claim. Tattoos, drugs, fornication, gender-bending have all become popularized and embraced, when before they were repudiated and denounced for what they were. In other words, behaviour and the acceptance of, will only become more and more decadent and brazen as time progresses.

Sure it has. Morality has evolved A LOT since the bronze age. It's no longer moral in most places to stone unruly children to death or to own human beings as property, as the Bible dictates.
That's what people mean when they ask why you cling to ancient views of morality.

 

[KWED]

Humanity will not subsist if all were homosexuals.

Why not? Homosexuals can, and do father children.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No idea what your connotation was?
Either way, the expression 'dealing with' means encountering them behind a cashier register, or as a waiter or bartender, or in any circumstance in life where we have to deal with the public. We had one in our office a while back, and his behaviour was pathetic - biggest gossip in the office, he was in his thirties and acted like a 12 year old girl. How disturbing and farcical is that?
I was on a jobsite for 3 months (H&M Retail). Every single guy that worked for the store was gay. After 3 weeks I began to believe that I was on another planet because their behaviour was just so persistently bizarre, and in defiance of their gender. It was just a peculiar and demented situation, and the contractor said the exact same thing to me - they're too much.


To you, it would, ...Mr. self-proclaimed morally sound, ...that'll be the day - me thinkest thou doth protest too much.

Sounds like you'd be more comfortable living in the 4th century or something. Good grief.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Oh great. I guess we'll just pretend like they don't systematically molest children and shield the perpetrators from punishment.

It happens, but not systematically and they can go to jail.

 

[ppp]

It happens, but not systematically and they can go to jail.

Systematic- in a focused, consistent, and methodical way: They definitely shielded pederasts in a systematic manner. For decades, if not centuries.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Systematic- in a focused, consistent, and methodical way: They definitely shielded pederasts in a systematic manner. For decades, if not centuries.

I've never heard of a single Latter day Saint molested. I've never heard of it being systematic.

 

[ppp]

I've never heard of a single Latter day Saint molested. I've never heard of it being systematic.

I just scrolled by thru this sub-thread to make sure, and you two were specifically and directly referencing the Catholic Church for multiple posts. Not LDS.

BTW, you say that you have never heard of a single Latter day Saint molested. That alone should tell you that you are ill-informed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It happens, but not systematically and they can go to jail.

Oh, it's systematic, and it comes from the top.
This has been revealed to us in recent decades and has been going on for much,. much longer.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I just scrolled by thru this sub-thread to make sure, and you two were specifically and directly referencing the Catholic Church for multiple posts. Not LDS.

BTW, you say that you have never heard of a single Latter day Saint molested. That alone should tell you that you are ill-informed.

Well, we were talking about the Catholic Church, but a quick Google search gave me this:

"A growing number of survivors are coming forward with allegations of child sex abuse within the LDS church, and not just in the Fundamentalist branch.

Several families have alleged that even after reporting sexual abuse by a teen church leader, the Mormon church failed to protect their children, according to ABC News.

In February, a Mormon church bishop and driver’s ed teacher in Oregon pleaded guilty to six counts of third-degree sex abuse stemming from assaults on several of his teen students, Portland, Oregon, ABC affiliate KATU reported. Paul Douglas Burdick was sentenced to six months in the county jail.

A woman whose husband confessed to LDS church leaders he’d had “inappropriate sexual contact” with his minor daughter has filed a lawsuit against the church, alleging her husband’s “confession-like communications” should have been kept confidential, Time reported.

Accounts of abuse within the church date back decades, with survivors confiding in trusted church leaders they thought would protect them and hold the accused accountable, but often to no avail."

A History of Sexual Abuse in the Mormon Church - Top Class Actions

 

[robocop (actually)]

Oh, it's systematic, and it comes from the top.
This has been revealed to us in recent decades and has been going on for much,. much longer.

I don't believe you.
I'm sure it happens though.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't believe you.
I'm sure it happens though.

You don't have to believe me, it's true anyway.

The Pope knows it's true:
Catholic Church child sexual abuse scandal.

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
Catholic Priests Abused 1,000 Children in Pennsylvania, Report Says (Published 2018)
The Catholic Church and Sexual Abuse, Then and Now | Origins
The global scale of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church

 

[Sheldon]

Oh, hell no! I could have gone a lifetime without knowing that tidbit.

Oh yes, sadly very true...

"Savile, who described himself as a devout Catholic, was made a Knight Commander of St Gregory the Great by Pope John Paul II in 1990 for his charity work. The honour is awarded to Catholics, and on occasion non-Catholics, who have demonstrated “pre-eminent” service to their faith, community, or the work of the Vatican. It is one of the highest awards the Pope can bestow."

As far as I know, the Vatican has not removed his papal knighthood. Not yet anyway. The Vatican official line is that the honour expires with the death of the recipient, and that there is no official list of such recipients so they can't strike him off a list that does not exist.

Well, I will bow to their expertise in things they've invented but that don't actually exist.