Hitchen's Challange

[Sheldon]

You know what I'm talking about.

Well, my ex wife was pretty clear about me not being allowed to ever enter that playground, by that particular route, but given I don't want anyone entering my particular playground using that route, I suppose that's fair enough. but as with so many innocuous pleasures, I prefer not to judge...

 

[Ashoka]

You don't think people have ownership over their own bodies?

Christians believe "We are not our own" as per 1 Corinthians 6:19. He will probably use that as an example.

 

[Sheldon]

Christians believe "We are not our own" as per 1 Corinthians 6:19. He will probably use that as an example.

He's entitled to believe that about his own body, but not about anyone else's, obviously. If their deity wants to instruct me that's fine, but no way am I taking their word for what it wants if it can't be bothered to tell me unequivocally itself. I will reciprocate, and not expect anyone else to obey me, just because I make an unevidenced subjective claim "god says so".

Dem's my rules, and everyone had best get used to them.

 

[DNB]

You are obviously not familiar with mammalian biology.
It is not necessary for a penis to be inserted into a vagina for a female to become pregnant.
Not every insertion of a penis into a vagina results in pregnancy.
The vagina and penis have evolved to give pleasure, even when procreation is not the purpose nor result.

Of course I can come up with a better design. Make the woman's pelvis wider, meaning fewer problems giving birth. Make cell division and DNA replication better so as to avoid birth defects. There you go. Two simple things leading to a better system. Surely something a competent, omnipotent, omniscient designer could have figured out for himself?

Do you have comprehension issues?
Feeble comments from the peanut gallery, are not considered astute nor competent.
The question was: devise a manner in which to procreate without the use of male and female genitalia - in other words, life is a miracle - outside of you realm of expertise or understanding.

 

[DNB]

What does this have to do with the points I made - which were in response to your claims?
Seems like you are deliberately avoiding the issues.

Haven't a clue what you are talking about?

 

[DNB]

You aren't familiar with the real world, are you?

If you're inaccurately referring to the planet that you come from, ....then, no, only from what I've heard about your endorsements.

 

[DNB]

Who says human bodies are designed?

Would you put a sewage system right next to a playground?

I, for one, say that human bodies are designed - as is everything else in our universe, ...just in case you didn't know.

...and there you have it 'a playground'. Playing is for the simple and immature, depraved and hedonistic - others are more restrained and serious.

 

[DNB]

You don't think people have ownership over their own bodies?

Not in the manner that you are supposing. Like I said (for the 3rd time) who dictated what?

 

[DNB]

Nonsense. Character doesn't come from gender or biology.

All men do not act a certain way. All women do not act a certain way. I act in a manner that is in accordance with men sometimes and sometimes with women. You know why? Because we're all humans.
Your assertions don't make any sense and are steeped in arbitrary traditionalism and stereotyping.

What is "masculine" and what is "feminine" have vastly changed over time, as already noted. Thus demonstrating that gender is a social construct that changes with society's views on gender roles. You might say it isn't masculine to cry, for example, but I'd point out that that is a human trait and that all humans cry. You've just arbitrarily decided that it isn't "masculine" to do so. Why? Who knows. Your views on gender are rather archaic, but that makes sense given that they're based in bronze age thinking.

Even within the animal kingdom, the genders within the species have their roles and responsibilities, all designed to be conducive and efficacious to their respective anatomies.
The most obvious fact is the biology, gender demands variations in their constitution and these differences remain consistent between the two genders. And this is why one can predict a particular temperament from one gender to another.

Humans are no different, girls like pink and clothes, men like blue and electronics. Nothing's changed, and most normal people prefer these distinctions - women want their men stoic and masculine, and men like their women demure and feminine.

 

[DNB]

Gender is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT, so looking at a person's genitalia (ew!) isn't going to tell you anything other than your preconceived stereotypes, which is to say nothing at all.
I mean seriously, you think if a person has a vagina that they are confined to behaving in certain ways? Where do you come up with that?


No idea what you're trying to say here.
What's "degenerate and pretentious nonsense?"

You're still confusing biology with gender.
Sigh.

Biology dictates gender - show me a vagina, and I'll show you a girl, a she, a female, a matriarch, ...

 

[DNB]

You know, vaginas and penises do other things as well. And penises can fit quite nicely into other places as well.

There goes the neighbourhood again, right out the flippin' window....
...and one wonders why the world is so messed-up?

 

[DNB]

Gender is a social construct that applies to humans. Other animals in the animal kingdom don't have genders.

But really, do tell, what is this "innate chemistry and physiology" that determines gender? Oops, you're still confusing biology with gender.



This is just bigoted garbage. My cousin is not perverted and she is not deranged and hedonistic. How dare you attempt to insult an entire group of people in such a way.

Gender is made up. Get over it.

Did you think it was “twisted and perverted” when women started wearing pants or started voting? How about cutting their hair short? Was it “twisted and perverted” when men stopped wearing makeup and heels? Seriously, you completely missed the point of this post and failed to answer my questions, yet again. And not only that, you completely ignored my example demonstrating that your point of view can be harmful to human well-being in actual tangible ways (unlike your assertions)

How one dresses, does not change the fact of their gender. If a confused or misguided female, for example, either thinks that she is a man, or wants to dress unconventionally in men's attire, it doesn't change the fact that she's a woman - her vagina or fallopian tubes will tell you that.

 

[ppp]

Humans are no different, girls like pink and clothes, men like blue and electronics

Until the 20th century, pink was a boy's color and blue and white was girls. You cannot be for real.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Until the 20th century, pink was a boy's color and blue and white was girls. You cannot be for real.

As usual it is a bit more complicated than that:

Has Pink Always Been a “Girly” Color?

Historically white was the color for all kids. Easier to clean and bleach.

In the latter 19th century pastels came out for babies. And there was no color preference. All pastels were chosen. But in the early 20th century a fashion decision was made:

" In 1918 the trade publication Earnshaw’s Infants’ Department claimed the “generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” Additionally, a 1927 issue of Time noted that large-scale department stores in Boston, Chicago, and New York suggested pink for boys. This trend of pink for boys was not as overwhelming as our current color-sex designation, however."


The association with boys in blue began during the baby boom when babies were also dressed to reflect their parents:


The baby boomers in the 1940s were the first to be dressed in the sex-specific clothing that Americans are familiar with today. Boys and girls were dressed like miniature men and women instead of uniformly in children’s dresses. Pink became the girls’ color, blue the boys’.

By the way, if you see some older portraits of children you will often see toddlers in dresses, regardless of sex. Boys and girls both wore dresses. If they were still wearing diapers it allowed much easier access to the garment. That is why boys getting their first pair of pants used to be an event.

 

[KWED]

Do you have comprehension issues?
Feeble comments from the peanut gallery, are not considered astute nor competent.
The question was: devise a manner in which to procreate without the use of male and female genitalia - in other words, life is a miracle - outside of you realm of expertise or understanding.

Not familiar with the concept of cloning then? Or asexual reproduction?
As I said, your ignorance of biology doesn't affect how the world works.

 

[KWED]

one can predict a particular temperament from one gender to another.
girls like pink and clothes, men like blue and electronics.
women want their men stoic and masculine, and men like their women demure and feminine

I think we've been Poed.
Chapeau!

 

[KWED]

You cannot be for real.

I think we've been Poed. Poe's law - Wikipedia

 

[Sheldon]

I, for one, say that human bodies are designed - as is everything else in our universe, ...just in case you didn't know.

Humans evolved, as did all living things. There is no objective evidence that the universe was designed.

...and there you have it 'a playground'. Playing is for the simple and immature, depraved and hedonistic - others are more restrained and serious.

Playing is a natural and harmless part of life for most animals, so one more thing about the natural world that you are woefully ignorant of it seems.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Do you have comprehension issues?
Feeble comments from the peanut gallery, are not considered astute nor competent.
The question was: devise a manner in which to procreate without the use of male and female genitalia - in other words, life is a miracle - outside of you realm of expertise or understanding.

So the only thing you have to offer in response to well thought out posts is insults?
Insults are the last refuge of people who have no arguments left. So thanks for revealing that to everyone.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I, for one, say that human bodies are designed - as is everything else in our universe, ...just in case you didn't know.

Great, then feel free to go ahead and demonstrate that.

...and there you have it 'a playground'. Playing is for the simple and immature, depraved and hedonistic - others are more restrained and serious.

You didn't understand the analogy. Oh well.

You don't find sex fun? It's all business and seriousness?| Sorry for you.