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Homosexual Adoption

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OctoberTheHottie

Member
Sorry, a little off topic, but Runt when I read your post I thought you said they SHOULD NOT, and from your other posts I wondered why you would have came to this conclusion, so that is really the only reason why I asked, good reply, BTW, nicely said. It is really scaring me though, I have caught myself several times reading a post the opposite it was written, what is up with that??

Oh, and just out of curiosity, is it in fact against a law for gays to adopt, because I thought Rosie O' Donnell did, so in that case this would just be a personal or religious view debate, correct??
 
Runt

Runt

Well-Known Member
Lightkeeper said:
Speaking of a "moral" atmosphere. I wonder how many heterosexual couples are raising children and are not married.
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A good question. I haven't the slightest clue, or the slightest clue how to find out. In anyone does get that stat, though, I would like to know what you find! :)

OctoberTheHottie said:
It is really scaring me though, I have caught myself several times reading a post the opposite it was written, what is up with that??
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LMAO, I've had a problem misreading as well. We're reading the novel Jazz at school and I misread the line "That Violet should not have let the parrot go" as "That Violet DID NOT let the parrot go" (which I interpreted to mean she KILLED it)... changed the context of the next three paragraphs in a really funny way. But this is off topic, so...

OctoberTheHottie said:
Oh, and just out of curiosity, is it in fact against a law for gays to adopt, because I thought Rosie O' Donnell did, so in that case this would just be a personal or religious view debate, correct??
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I think it's legal in some states and illegal in others. And then the adoption agencies go through their own screening process and probably have certain qualifications that those wanting to adopt must meet... and some probably discriminate against homosexuals as well as people of different religions, people of different ethnic groups, and people of different socioeconomic statis.

But yeah, I think this is a personal/religious question rather than a strictly legal one.
 
Runt

Runt

Well-Known Member
But it doesn't tell how many heterosexual unmarried couples are raising kids... it says how many MARRIED couples are raising kids (24% of all households) but does not say which percentage of households have NO kids (so I can figure out how many of those households have kids but the "parents" are unmarried).
 
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teapot_tall_and_yummy

Member
Redeemed of God said:
There is no such thing as a gay Christian. It's an oxymoron and it goes against the Bible. I know of people who were gay and became Christians but I know there is no such thing as a gay Christian. Yes...you may have heard of gay ministers but you can't believe in Jesus Christ and be a homosexual or believe homosexuality is ok.
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Who in the name of jesus mary and joseph do you think you are to say what people can and cannot beleive. anyone who loves jesus and believes in him is a christian, regardless of their sexual orientation. where do you get off deciding who deserves jesus' love? please give me an answer cause im dying to know. this holier than thou, self righteous bull isn't doing anyone any good. Here's a little bible passage for you : "He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised anyone else. (am i the only one seeing a connection here???) 'Two people wnet up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity -- greedy, dishonest, adulterous -- or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and I pay tithes on my whole income.' But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, 'O God, be merciful to me a sinner.' I tell you, the latter went home jusitfied not the former; for everone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted." Luke 18: 9-14

you tend to use quotes from the bible out of context... that there is pretty straightforward love. Just love everyone. Don't alienate people. Who did Jesus ever alienate??
 
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Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
Runt said:
But it doesn't tell how many heterosexual unmarried couples are raising kids... it says how many MARRIED couples are raising kids (24% of all households) but does not say which percentage of households have NO kids (so I can figure out how many of those households have kids but the "parents" are unmarried).
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Here are more statistics on unmarried couples with children.

http://www.unmarried.org/statistics.html
 
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Runt

Well-Known Member
Thanks. Here are the stats from that site:

"41% of unmarried partner households have children under 18 living in them.
- U.S. Census Bureau, America's Families and Living Arrangements 2000

33% of all births are to unmarried women.
- National Center for Health Statistics, 2000 data (report released 2002)

41% of first births to unmarried women are actually babies born to cohabiting couples, not "single" women.
- Bumpass, Larry and Lu, Hsien-Hen(2000). "Trends in Cohabitation and Implications for Children's Family Contexts in the United States." Population Studies, 54: 29-41.

About two-fifths of children are expected to live in a cohabiting household at some point.
- U.S. Census Bureau, 2000"

And yet homosexual COUPLES cannot raise a child together? Doesn't make sense...
 
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teapot_tall_and_yummy

Member
Redeemed, it sounds like you can't back up what your saying. You have given no good reasons for your position. So carful about what you say, because it offends me a lot and it offends people i love dearly
 
Hirohito18200

Hirohito18200

Member
I'll be as honest as I can...

The whole argument against gay adoption is based on circular reasoning, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, but it has no validity to people who don't believe in the Bible. What's the worst thing that could happen?

1. The kid grows up and turns gay. This is bad only if you believe in the Bible.

2. The kid grows up not knowing the value of marriage (assuming the 2 gays are not maried). The kid is more likely to have premarital sex and get divorced and all that; again, not bad unless you believe in the Bible.

correct me if im wrong
 
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Lightkeeper

Well-Known Member
Hirohito18200 said:
I'll be as honest as I can...

The whole argument against gay adoption is based on circular reasoning, which isn't necesarily a bad thing, but it has no validity to people who don't believe in the Bible. What's the worst thing that could happen?

1. The kid grows up and turns gay. This is bad only if you believe in the Bible.

2. The kid grows up not knowing the value of marriage (assuming the 2 gays are not maried). The kid is more likely to have premarital sex and get divorced and all that; again, not bad unless you believe in the Bible.

correct me if im wrong
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The gay person came from a heterosexual family in the first place. Re: your item 2, they can also learn these traits from a heterosexeual family. According to today's standards and statistics, this sounds like the issue from hetero homes.
 
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OctoberTheHottie

Member
I would say I don't see anything wrong with it, why would it be bad for a child to be raised thinking it is ok if you grow up and have those feelings, love is love, and that is better than hate. I have known women that are gay that already had young children, if the government doesnt' have the right go to their house and remove the children why should they have the right to keep them from adopting them? It's not like being gay is illegal, so any child is free to learn that it is ok if they are gay, whether their parents are or not. It isn't learned, either you are or you aren't.
 
Bastet

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
Of course it should be allowed, just as gay marriage should be. Homosexual couples (or singles), have no less love to give a child than heterosexual couples (or singles), do. Being gay isn't a perversion, and the only thing that's going to 'rub off' on an adopted child, would be an open mind...hardly a bad thing. As you said, October - love is love. And whoever was on the waiting list for adoption first, should get preference - gay or straight, makes no difference which.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
***MOD POST***

Great topic for discussion, but I'm going to move it to the General Debates. Please continue there.

Maize
 
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Death

Member
They should be allowed to be parents, since their sexuality does not enter into parenting. A secure, supportive, loving environment is what is required, sexuality doesn't really effect that.

People have been brought up in single-parent families, or by sisters or brothers, there's no evidence that these children are somehow inferior socially than those with 2 parents, so only 1 gender of parental figures doesn't really effect anything either.
 
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anders

Well-Known Member
Of course they should be allowed to adopt. For homosexual couples, the decision to try to get a child will often be more thought over than for "standard" couples, and their expectations will be more realistic than for many couples who just happen to get children, or because they think that they are "supposed to". The love given to the child will certainly be no less than in the average different-sex marriage. The children may well be better off in some respects, as they will be taught tolerance and respect for other people. From the official reports I have seen, their lives tend to be at least as good and happy as the lives of other children.
 
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