Homosexuality and Biblical Consistency

[cablescavenger]

A most excellent point.
The Church has mostly been AGAINST such things:

Premarital sex
Same sex marriage
Birth Control
Family Planning


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True, but I have to laugh. Mary had pre marital sex, and the church is quite happy to have statues of her everywhere.

If it is to be believed that Jesus was with Mary Magdalene, then they too had pre-marital sex.

The church is against the others because it needs the number of followers to grow in order to increase revenue year on year. Think of it as a business plan.

 

[fallingblood]

True- among its own members. However, many others have also chosen to take the same view.

False. There is no such thing. However, many others have also chosen to take the same view as the church about homosexuality.

Actually true. Because there is a such thing as same-sex marriages. If you deny this, then really, you're not playing with a full deck. And whether or not others support an ignorant and bigoted idea, doesn't make it right.

False.

Actually it does. Look at the Catholic Church. Score one for me.

False.

Tell that to Planned Parenthood, who has been picketed by Christians for quite some time now, and have been under attack by people claiming that it is against Christianity.

Ignoring the problems in Christianity will only lead to it's death.

 

[fallingblood]

Where in the scriptures does it say God was not Gay?

That is really an asinine statement. Does scripture need to say that God is not gay? No, and to assume show really is just asinine. And really, the sexuality of God, if God even has a sexuality, really doesn't help as it is never even suggested at. However, if you asked the people who wrote the Bible, what sexuality God was, they would most likely say heterosexual.

Case in point, God is said to have impregnated a woman, he created man and woman in his image and dictated that they be heterosexual (at least Adam and Eve), and the ideal family status was one man one woman. This doesn't say that God is heterosexual, but that if one wanted to make such a ridiculous argument either way, one could make a better argument towards heterosexuality.

Again, the sexuality of God, if he even has one, is really pointless to discuss.

 

[fallingblood]

True, but I have to laugh. Mary had pre marital sex, and the church is quite happy to have statues of her everywhere.

Nope. There is no suggestion that Mary had pre-martial sex. If you are going to say something about Mary, you should probably read the Gospels, and in this case, the birth stories. There is no suggestion of sexual intercourse regarding Mary and her conception.

If it is to be believed that Jesus was with Mary Magdalene, then they too had pre-marital sex.

It's believed by who? The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail?

No, there really is no evidence that Jesus and Mary had a sexual relationship.

The church is against the others because it needs the number of followers to grow in order to increase revenue year on year. Think of it as a business plan.

Only portions of Christianity are against the others. And the fact that they are against pre-maritial sex, which would greatly help their numbers, would refute your position here.

 

[Tarheeler]

I like to believe that "different taos lead to the Great Tao" which is pretty similar to your stance. I'm beginning to realize the full extent of my ignorance on Judaism. I learned that the Christian OT is a greatly mistranslated version of the Tanakh in order to support the view of Christ as Messiah for example. I decided from now on to avoid discussing the "Old Testament" with Christians in general and just stick to their NT.

Yeah, that's pretty much my approach to it as well.

 

[Jethro]

Christians are against homosexuality because God is against it as you have sited in Leviticus, and as we can clearly see in Genesis in regards to Sodom and Gommorah.

Jesus is against it "MK 7:20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean.' 21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality (the Greek word is pornia, which refers to homosexuality), theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean.' "

And Paul was against it "1CO 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

In regards to slavery, God allowed the Israelites to be slaves for hundreds of years in Egypt. Thus God allowed the Israelites to have slaves, as long as they were not Israelites.

Moreover, God allowed Christians to be slaves in the NT. For Paul told Christian slaves in "EPH 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free."

In regards to genecide, God did instruct the Israelites to totally destroy the Cannanites and other people groups, because they worshipped false idols and offered their babies to them as burnt offerings, because they were grossly involved in homosexuality, drunkeness, and so on. But this command was to the Jews, but Christians were told by Jesus who were part of the New Covenant to love their enemies and turn the other cheek.

 

[cablescavenger]

Nope. There is no suggestion that Mary had pre-martial sex. If you are going to say something about Mary, you should probably read the Gospels, and in this case, the birth stories. There is no suggestion of sexual intercourse regarding Mary and her conception.
It's believed by who? The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail?

No, there really is no evidence that Jesus and Mary had a sexual relationship.

Only portions of Christianity are against the others. And the fact that they are against pre-maritial sex, which would greatly help their numbers, would refute your position here.

She got pregnant and swore she was still a virgin.
Not that old chestnut lol
I think she was doing a few too many poppies!

 

[Straw Dog]

Christians are against homosexuality because God is against it as you have sited in Leviticus, and as we can clearly see in Genesis in regards to Sodom and Gommorah.

I see. Why did God make them gay to begin with? So they would be persecuted and oppressed their whole lives or...?

And Paul was against it "1CO 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."

Question: It says that male prostitutes won't inherit the kingdom of God, but what about female prostitutes? Because that would greatly increase my chances of suspending disbelief to believe in Jesus.

In regards to slavery, God allowed the Israelites to be slaves for hundreds of years in Egypt. Thus God allowed the Israelites to have slaves, as long as they were not Israelites.

Moreover, God allowed Christians to be slaves in the NT. For Paul told Christian slaves in "EPH 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free."

Ah! That explains why modern society is so morally bankrupt and backwards, we've outlawed slavery and embraced individual rights!

In regards to genecide, God did instruct the Israelites to totally destroy the Cannanites and other people groups, because they worshipped false idols and offered their babies to them as burnt offerings, because they were grossly involved in homosexuality, drunkeness, and so on. But this command was to the Jews, but Christians were told by Jesus who were part of the New Covenant to love their enemies and turn the other cheek.

I just knew that genocide could be justified in some cases!

So Jehovah ordered them all to be slaughtered because he was jealous of their gods and they were all having male anal sex while sacrificing small children? How did they have any babies if they were all gay??

And why doesn't Jesus endorse invading sovereign nations to slaughter or enslave all inhabitants? Does his dad know about all this pacifist nonsense?

Thanks! I'm officially done with this thread now. It's clear that the Bible really is very confusing and inconsistent with the modern zeitgeist as I originally hypothesized.

 

[Photonic]

That is really an asinine statement. Does scripture need to say that God is not gay? No, and to assume show really is just asinine. And really, the sexuality of God, if God even has a sexuality, really doesn't help as it is never even suggested at. However, if you asked the people who wrote the Bible, what sexuality God was, they would most likely say heterosexual.

Case in point, God is said to have impregnated a woman, he created man and woman in his image and dictated that they be heterosexual (at least Adam and Eve), and the ideal family status was one man one woman. This doesn't say that God is heterosexual, but that if one wanted to make such a ridiculous argument either way, one could make a better argument towards heterosexuality.

Again, the sexuality of God, if he even has one, is really pointless to discuss.

Interestingly enough, people often extrapolate from a religion things that are not in the scripture. How is that explained away?

 

[Villager]

people often extrapolate from a religion things that are not in the scripture

People often invent a religion from things that are not in any scripture.

Atheists included. 'God impregnated a woman' is a case in point.

 

[Songbird]

People often invent a religion from things that are not in any scripture.

Atheists included. 'God impregnated a woman' is a case in point.

Er, atheists didn't invent that.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Er, atheists didn't invent that.

Sure they did.

Atheists created the virgin birth story so they could make fun of Christians who believed it.

The real Da Vinci Code conspiracy that the church doesn't want you to know. :yes:

 

[Villager]

Atheists created the virgin birth story

Palpable nonsense! I remember it well. It was atheists (or were they reluctant believers) who, by use of the internet, created the preposterous idea, never before entertained, that Jesus' mother was somehow fertilised by personal, sexual means rather than impersonal miracle. Mind-boggling.

 

[no-body]

Palpable nonsense! I remember it well. It was atheists (or were they reluctant believers) who, by use of the internet, created the preposterous idea, never before entertained, that Jesus' mother was somehow fertilised by personal, sexual means rather than impersonal miracle. Mind-boggling.

This is the most awkward porno ever.

 

[Songbird]

This is the most awkward porno ever.

Oh, that cracked me up. Barry White started singing. Hilarity ensued.

 

[Songbird]

Sure they did.

Atheists created the virgin birth story so they could make fun of Christians who believed it.

The real Da Vinci Code conspiracy that the church doesn't want you to know. :yes:

Well done, scheming atheists!

 

[cablescavenger]

You said

Originally Posted by Walkntune
You can be gay as long as you don't try to justify yourself with my convictions.

That implies that being gay does not agree with your convictions, and yet it might be aligning with your convictions, but your convictions are not clear, because you do not know the persuasion of your God.

You say that if you looked at the likelihood or probability, then he would be heterosexual, however we know that you cannot deal with probability, because if you did, you would denounce your religion immediately based on the extremely high probability that there is no God.

That is why it is called Faith.

I am not trying to convert you, I am just playing devils advocate.

I am sure you are not Gay, I am just not sure that your leader isn't.

 

[idav]

Sure they did.

Atheists created the virgin birth story so they could make fun of Christians who believed it.

The real Da Vinci Code conspiracy that the church doesn't want you to know. :yes:

Hey those are secrets for a reason!! Wheres the Illuminati when we need them?

 

[Walkntune]

You said

That implies that being gay does not agree with your convictions, and yet it might be aligning with your convictions, but your convictions are not clear, because you do not know the persuasion of your God.

You say that if you looked at the likelihood or probability, then he would be heterosexual, however we know that you cannot deal with probability, because if you did, you would denounce your religion immediately based on the extremely high probability that there is no God.

That is why it is called Faith.

I am not trying to convert you, I am just playing devils advocate.

I am sure you are not Gay, I am just not sure that your leader isn't.

Actually that was between you and fallingblood.He was showing how asinine your argument was.
You are speaking out of spiritual ignorance so I don't take any offense.

 

[Photonic]

People often invent a religion from things that are not in any scripture.

Atheists included. 'God impregnated a woman' is a case in point.

Except that...you know...it actually SAYS that.