Homosexuality and Evolution: God's Will and Human Belief

[Ingledsva]

Of course one can test this assertion. I know God and have a relationship with God.

You believing you have a relationship with your God, and that everything good is attested to him, and everything bad attested to an evil being, does not in any way prove that God's existence.

Malachi 3:10: Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

Go on--tithe to your local church and see what God does!

I was a Christian in the past. I was raised Christian.

I have a much better life now that I am not one. So much for your theory.

Also why would giving money to churches make a god appear?

And just so you know, - I volunteer at my local Salvation Army. I just don't discuss religion with them. LOL!

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[Ingledsva]

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Obviously you haven't read enough of our posts. Many of us (atheists and agnostics,) do condemn the ridiculous punishment laws. The God of the Bible comes off as a vindictive-angry-murderer, whom also supposedly gives laws thet are evil, - such as murdering people that are different, or gay, slavery, rape of war captives, etc.

These negatives show the God of the Bible to be just a human construct, doing what those humans want to do; = murder - rape - own women - own slaves, take other people's land and possessions, etc.

Personally, I've encountered hundreds of atheists who are quick to disagree (in error) with what they feel is Bible genocide and rape, yet never seem to notice that God condemns skeptics for adultery, lust, greed, jealousy, lying, theft, unbelief . . . why do you think you also make this omission? ...**

And now I've encountered another one.

What omission? We are discussing the negatives that prove the God of the Bible is a human construct incorporating evil things men want to do.

And you don't think they committed genocide, or rape?

They commit genocide in every one of the stories where the people turn back to their old gods, and the YHVH people march in and murder the king, his family, the priests, and the people. Read Kings with this in mind.

They committed genocide against the tribe of Benjamin, resulting in not enough women for the remaining men, - so they go to the ancestral temple at Shiloh and kidnap and rape the dancing women. Judges 21

This is rape - Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; (WOMAN)Deu 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
Deu 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her (RAPE), and be her husband (Master/Owner,) and she shall be thy wife. (WOMAN)

A captive - 30 days to morn the family and friends your captor has murdered (actually 30 day to make sure not pregnant,) - and then you captor comes in and scr*ws you. That is definitely rape.

There are lots of bad laws, genocide, rape, and murder in the bible.

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[Sapiens]

I celebrate diversity. I also say, "He is a good man," not "He is a good black man," or "He is an aborigine and is a subspecies," since I leave that talk to racists and evolutionists.

Yup ... bad case of liberal guilt.

If WHAT is the basis? My relationship with God or my sizable amount of knowledge and learning about God?

Either one can be helpful when claiming to represent God. Whom do you represent?

Your sizable amount of knowledge appears rather paltry. You have an amazing opinion of yourself for one who appears to be so incompletely educated.

You may be correct. How about Jesus offers you benefits NOW, so take them!

Your Jesus offers no one anything, there is rather serious doubt that he ever existed, even in ordinary human form.

Of course one can test this assertion. I know God and have a relationship with God.

Malachi 3:10: Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

Go on--tithe to your local church and see what God does!

It is rather obvious to even a casual observer that many tithe and receive only ignorance.

"Evolutionists" don't say that either. All living humans are homo sapiens. In other words, we're all the same. The opposite of what you are trying to say.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Perhaps that's his reward for tithing?

My personal position is that there is a lack of evidence for a God, so all Gods where there *should* be evidence for existence are disproven.

Yup.

That is no different then saying Aphrodite offers you benefits NOW, so why not take them!

There is no proof for their existence.

I'm not going to bow before Bobba-wagga-zoobi God just in case he might actually exists.

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We are all atheists when it comes to most all of the thousands of gods that have been invented, I just carry it one god further than BB does.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Yup ... bad case of liberal guilt.

Your sizable amount of knowledge appears rather paltry. You have an amazing opinion of yourself for one who appears to be so incompletely educated.

Your Jesus offers no one anything, there is rather serious doubt that he ever existed, even in ordinary human form.

It is rather obvious to even a casual observer that many tithe and receive only ignorance.

Perhaps that's his reward for tithing?

Yup.
We are all atheists when it comes to most all of the thousands of gods that have been invented, I just carry it one god further than BB does.

It's hard to discuss your subjective claims at all, when even your objective claims are so flawed. For example, you wrote above, "Your Jesus offers no one anything, there is rather serious doubt that he ever existed, even in ordinary human form."

The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is not in doubt among scholars: Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia

 

[BilliardsBall]

What omission? We are discussing the negatives that prove the God of the Bible is a human construct incorporating evil things men want to do.

And you don't think they committed genocide, or rape?

They commit genocide in every one of the stories where the people turn back to their old gods, and the YHVH people march in and murder the king, his family, the priests, and the people. Read Kings with this in mind.

They committed genocide against the tribe of Benjamin, resulting in not enough women for the remaining men, - so they go to the ancestral temple at Shiloh and kidnap and rape the dancing women. Judges 21

This is rape - Deu 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
Deu 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; (WOMAN)Deu 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
Deu 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her (RAPE), and be her husband (Master/Owner,) and she shall be thy wife. (WOMAN)

A captive - 30 days to morn the family and friends your captor has murdered (actually 30 day to make sure not pregnant,) - and then you captor comes in and scr*ws you. That is definitely rape.

There are lots of bad laws, genocide, rape, and murder in the bible.

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The continuing omission is the one I mentioned--what Jesus called stone casting. You are continuing to say the problem is the Bible when the problem is human sin.

 

[BilliardsBall]

I merely lack belief. If I was shown evidence of a god I would change my mind. And you made very well be wrong about the need of omniscient knowledge for your second claim. I doubt if you can support stating that there is a need of omniscient knowledge to rule out a god. I don't think that I cannot do so, that does not mean that no one can do so.

What evidence do you have that tells us one needs omniscient knowledge to rule out all gods. By the way, you do realize that some gods can be refuted, don't you?

As a born again Christian, I believe I can provide evidence refuting the god of Islam and etc., yes, thanks for asking.

I think it's at the level of science-denier to say there is no possibility for a god in the light of modern theorizing regarding space seed, origins, life elsewhere in the universe. You seem to think superior beings are nowhere evolved in the universe? That sounds like science-denying to me.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Can you show this God to anyone else?

I can show you my storeroom per the scripture. Do try to respond to the Bible challenge I show you rather than keep moving the goalposts!

 

[Subduction Zone]

As a born again Christian, I believe I can provide evidence refuting the god of Islam and etc., yes, thanks for asking.

I think it's at the level of science-denier to say there is no possibility for a god in the light of modern theorizing regarding space seed, origins, life elsewhere in the universe. You seem to think superior beings are nowhere evolved in the universe? That sounds like science-denying to me.

I seriously doubt if you can. But go ahead, give it your best shot. Remember, no strawman attacks on other religions. You have to understand Islam to attack it.

And please, since you appear to be a science denier you should not hypothesize on what others believe. It is very clear that you do not know what atheism is. What makes you think that I do not believe that there are "superior beings" nowhere else in the universe? I have never even come close to implying that and I have never stated that. Since you just strawmanned my beliefs I am fairly sure that you will do the same for Islam.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I can show you my storeroom per the scripture. Do try to respond to the Bible challenge I show you rather than keep moving the goalposts!

You told me, "Go on--tithe to your local church and see what God does!"

I've done that many times in the past. No god has done anything for me.

Bible challenges are a waste of time to me if you can't demonstrate the existence of your God in the first place.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I celebrate diversity. I also say, "He is a good man," not "He is a good black man," or "He is an aborigine and is a subspecies," since I leave that talk to racists and evolutionists.

Please that is a strawman and a violation of the Ninth Commandment. As a Christian you should avoid such practices.

 

[Sapiens]

It's hard to discuss your subjective claims at all, when even your objective claims are so flawed. For example, you wrote above, "Your Jesus offers no one anything, there is rather serious doubt that he ever existed, even in ordinary human form."

The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is not in doubt among scholars: Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia

That is simply not true. There are any number of competent and well known biblical scholars who doubt it, and those who do not, IMHO, are as worried about cracking their rice bowl as they are concerning thier immortal soul.

 

[Valjean]

As a born again Christian, I believe I can provide evidence refuting the god of Islam and etc., yes, thanks for asking.

I think it's at the level of science-denier to say there is no possibility for a god in the light of modern theorizing regarding space seed, origins, life elsewhere in the universe. You seem to think superior beings are nowhere evolved in the universe? That sounds like science-denying to me.

What do origins or life elsewhere in the universe have to do with God? If natural processes can explain terrestrial life; if God is unnecessary here, why would life elsewhere be any different?

 

[BilliardsBall]

I seriously doubt if you can. But go ahead, give it your best shot. Remember, no strawman attacks on other religions. You have to understand Islam to attack it.

And please, since you appear to be a science denier you should not hypothesize on what others believe. It is very clear that you do not know what atheism is. What makes you think that I do not believe that there are "superior beings" nowhere else in the universe? I have never even come close to implying that and I have never stated that. Since you just strawmanned my beliefs I am fairly sure that you will do the same for Islam.

I don't understand how defaming Islam will increase your desire for Christianity. I have this in common with you, we think most religions are wrong.

A superior intellect with super-weapons flies their spaceship to Earth and demands and receives obeisance. You believe this could happen, yet there is no "god" in the universe. Explain, please.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The historicity of Jesus of Nazareth is not in doubt among scholars: Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia

That is simply not true. There are any number of competent and well known biblical scholars who doubt it, and those who do not, IMHO, are as worried about cracking their rice bowl as they are concerning thier immortal soul.

If by "any number" you mean a lunatic fringe, very, very small in number, you are right. The article I cited has footnotes from hundreds of scholars on the matter.

The article says, "Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain . . . " which is why you should recant your position.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You told me, "Go on--tithe to your local church and see what God does!"

I've done that many times in the past. No god has done anything for me.

Bible challenges are a waste of time to me if you can't demonstrate the existence of your God in the first place.

You lived as an evangelical and tithed the first 10% of your income, before taxes, to your local church?

"Bible challenges are a waste of time to me if you can't demonstrate the existence of your God in the first place," is putting the cart before the horse, since the challenges are how to prove the existence of God!

 

[BilliardsBall]

What do origins or life elsewhere in the universe have to do with God? If natural processes can explain terrestrial life; if God is unnecessary here, why would life elsewhere be any different?

It depends on your definition of god. If super-beings can come here from other planets and force obeisance by using super-weapons, how can you say such super-beings are gods CERTAINLY do not exist? That seems unscientific of you.

 

[Darkstorn]

It depends on your definition of god. If super-beings can come here from other planets and force obeisance by using super-weapons, how can you say such super-beings are gods CERTAINLY do not exist? That seems unscientific of you.

I can't help but notice the fact that no one made such claims of certainty.

I think it's really unscientific to put words into peoples' mouths and argue that instead of what they actually wrote.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't understand how defaming Islam will increase your desire for Christianity. I have this in common with you, we think most religions are wrong.

A superior intellect with super-weapons flies their spaceship to Earth and demands and receives obeisance. You believe this could happen, yet there is no "god" in the universe. Explain, please.

Your last sentence makes no sense, but indicates that you have no clue as to what atheism is. No wonder all you have are strawman attacks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can't help but notice the fact that no one made such claims of certainty.

I think it's really unscientific to put words into peoples' mouths and argue that instead of what they actually wrote.

Yes, but is so much easier to refute than their actual beliefs.

Please note that I have not made any comments about how nailing a person to a magic stick fixes everything.

 

[Ingledsva]

As a born again Christian, I believe I can provide evidence refuting the god of Islam and etc., yes, thanks for asking.

I think it's at the level of science-denier to say there is no possibility for a god in the light of modern theorizing regarding space seed, origins, life elsewhere in the universe. You seem to think superior beings are nowhere evolved in the universe? That sounds like science-denying to me.

What in the world does other beings in the universe, that are evolved past us, - have to do with a God?

They obviously would NOT be Gods.

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