Homosexuality and Homosexual Marriages: Why do Christians Care?

[Katzpur]

I personally see where you are coming from...however, I'm thinking it is quite possible that the really good ones don't.

What on earth not?

 

[Sonofason]

Oh yeah! Fear of God. Living in true fear of a terrible task master -- whatever could be more joyous?

My innocence, without that fear, is just fine, thank you very much? But hey, if fear makes you happy, go for it!

Proverbs 1 KJV

 

[Sonofason]

What on earth not?

If I ever meet one, I'll ask them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Like I said...impossible.

How is HIV / AIDS transmitted? - San Francisco AIDS Foundation

How do you catch HIV? How do you get AIDS?
You can't "catch" AIDS; you only contract AIDS if you have HIV. Read more about the difference between HIV and AIDS.

HIV can only be transmitted from an infected person to another through direct contact of bodily fluids such as:

• Blood (including menstrual blood) (Emphasis mine)
  
• Semen / cum / precum / ejaculate
• Vaginal secretions
• Breast milk

Blood contains the highest concentration of the virus, followed by semen, followed by vaginal fluids, followed by breast milk.

Though it's unlikely and improbable for you to catch aids, it is far from impossible. Anyone can become infected.

 

[Sonofason]

How is HIV / AIDS transmitted? - San Francisco AIDS Foundation

Though it's unlikely and improbable for you to catch aids, it is far from impossible. Anyone can become infected.

Anyone can become infected? That is simply not true.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyone can become infected? That is simply not true.

Whether you want to accept it or not, anyone and everyone is vulnerable to HIV. We have not yet developed a cure nor vaccine. If you think it is impossible for anyone to become infected with it, you have read some very poor information about HIV. The big reason there is so much to-do over coming into contact with someone else's blood is this very reason.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Proverbs 1 KJV

Sorry, but I'm not impressed by bible quotes, unless you also acknowledge (and also obey) those that command killing of your own children for various egregious faults.

 

[Sonofason]

Whether you want to accept it or not, anyone and everyone is vulnerable to HIV. We have not yet developed a cure nor vaccine. If you think it is impossible for anyone to become infected with it, you have read some very poor information about HIV. The big reason there is so much to-do over coming into contact with someone else's blood is this very reason.

I would recommend not coming into contact with other people's blood. I know that I don't. But of course, sometimes lightning can strike...so be it.

 

[Sonofason]

Sorry, but I'm not impressed by bible quotes, unless you also acknowledge (and also obey) those that command killing of your own children for various egregious faults.

God also requires that we obey civil laws as well. If conflicts between these commands should arise, our God who is quite forgiving will understand. Care to take another stab at it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

God also requires that we obey civil laws as well. If conflicts between these commands should arise, our God who is quite forgiving will understand. Care to take another stab at it?

There are plenty of Old Testament commands that most Christians ignore but would be perfectly legal to follow.

Edit: but wait one minute - are you saying that if it was legal, you would have your kids beaten or executed the way is described in the Bible?

 

[McBell]

When you are observant, as I am, you don't need outside sources to gain insight and understanding into the truth in matters such as this. It begins so innocent doesn't it? But without Christ and a true fear of God, there really is little hope retaining one's innocence for very long.

So you only have your own bias observations as your "source"?

thank you for your honesty

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

God also requires that we obey civil laws as well. If conflicts between these commands should arise, our God who is quite forgiving will understand. Care to take another stab at it?

Whose "civil" laws? Did not God order the slaughter of the Canaanites, including children (except virgin girls who could charmingly be saved for some other "lawful" purpose)? Were there not laws against such murder and rape in Canaan -- or among the Israelites?

How about when the angel warned Mary & Joseph to take Jesus the child away because Herod's thugs were coming to kill them? I wonder if it would have been possible for that same angel to warn other families with young children, too? Or was it better that they be left behind to be slaughtered so Herod would think he'd won something?

I'd like you to notice something about one of the plagues of Egypt -- which is that God obviously is capable of very great precision in His killings, since he managed to slaughter only those who had been first-born, and also to ignore those who had lamb's blood on their door-posts and lintels. So how is it, do you suppose, that the flood killed every single person on earth except for 8 -- men, women, children, suckling infants and those yet unborn in the womb? Were they all -- even the unborn -- truly evil except for Noah and his family? Goodness! Wow! (You don't suppose any of those unborn had managed to touch their "business" while still in the womb, do you -- I mean, that would certainly be a good reason to off their evil hinies!)

You know, Ananias and Sapphira owned the property which they sold for the benefit of the Apostles. Was it so egregiously wrong of them to keep a little aside for themselves -- you know, for things like food? Or did they really deserve to drop dead on the spot, one after another, because they hadn't completely divested themselves of every last shekel for the enrichment of Jesus's cronies - thereby totally impoverishing themselves? (By the way, there's no end of "religious leaders" who really approve of this story -- it's how the enrich their own selves.)

Do you suppose it might have been possible for that angel that warned Joseph and Mary to flee to Egypt to have also mentioned to Jephtha that he didn't really have to sacrifice his daughter?

Do you really think the best way to punish David for boffing Bathsheeba and having her husband Uriah killed was to have their son -- a child -- suffer for 7 days and then die? What, after all, did the kid do?

Sorry, there's a lot (and I can write dozens and dozens more) that I dislike intensely about your Bible and the God it portrays. I want none of it.

 

[Sonofason]

There are plenty of Old Testament commands that most Christians ignore but would be perfectly legal to follow.

Edit: but wait one minute - are you saying that if it was legal, you would have your kids beaten or executed the way is described in the Bible?

Oh no, not my kids. They obey every word I say.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh no, not my kids. They obey every word I say.

You didn't answer my question.

Say they were rebellious and there was no law stopping you from killing them; would you kill them?

"If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him."

 

[Sonofason]

So you only have your own bias observations as your "source"?

thank you for your honesty

You're quite welcome. I was actually sexually assaulted by a homosexual when I was in my late teens. It has left an impression on me. It's not like I was physically harmed or anything. But I will say that guy is lucky to be alive right now. I could have reacted, and sometimes wish I had reacted much differently.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

 

[Sonofason]

Whose "civil" laws? Did not God order the slaughter of the Canaanites, including children (except virgin girls who could charmingly be saved for some other "lawful" purpose)? Were there not laws against such murder and rape in Canaan -- or among the Israelites?

I personally am under no obligation to adhere to the civil laws of Iran. I wouldn't have to do that here in America, and I would not have to do that if I were a soldier fighting in a war against Iran. Please cite the verse or verses in the Bible which states that the Israelite's raped anyone. I am not so sure you will find one. My guess is that you will read something into the text that isn't there. But humor me, and cite the verses. If I am wrong, I will admit it. However, even if some of those Israeli soldiers did rape someone it makes them no better or worse than the soldiers who fight wars in countries all over this planet. People do not do what is right. But please also show me the verses where God condones such conduct.

How about when the angel warned Mary & Joseph to take Jesus the child away because Herod's thugs were coming to kill them? I wonder if it would have been possible for that same angel to warn other families with young children, too? Or was it better that they be left behind to be slaughtered so Herod would think he'd won something?

Maybe one day you could ask Him.

I'd like you to notice something about one of the plagues of Egypt -- which is that God obviously is capable of very great precision in His killings, since he managed to slaughter only those who had been first-born, and also to ignore those who had lamb's blood on their door-posts and lintels. So how is it, do you suppose, that the flood killed every single person on earth except for 8 -- men, women, children, suckling infants and those yet unborn in the womb? Were they all -- even the unborn -- truly evil except for Noah and his family? Goodness! Wow! (You don't suppose any of those unborn had managed to touch their "business" while still in the womb, do you -- I mean, that would certainly be a good reason to off their evil hinies!)

No one deserves life. It is a privilege, not a right, kinda like driving a car. This is just my opinion by the way.

You know, Ananias and Sapphira owned the property which they sold for the benefit of the Apostles. Was it so egregiously wrong of them to keep a little aside for themselves -- you know, for things like food? Or did they really deserve to drop dead on the spot, one after another, because they hadn't completely divested themselves of every last shekel for the enrichment of Jesus's cronies - thereby totally impoverishing themselves? (By the way, there's no end of "religious leaders" who really approve of this story -- it's how the enrich their own selves.)

Yeah, it seems a little harsh to me too. Perhaps we don't have the full story. It is possible that promises were made to God that weren't kept. I honestly don't know. I do believe that I will reserve any judgment against God until I at least get some more information regarding the matter.

Do you suppose it might have been possible for that angel that warned Joseph and Mary to flee to Egypt to have also mentioned to Jephtha that he didn't really have to sacrifice his daughter?

It is possible the angel had more pressing matters to deal with. I really don't know.

Do you really think the best way to punish David for boffing Bathsheeba and having her husband Uriah killed was to have their son -- a child -- suffer for 7 days and then die? What, after all, did the kid do?

Let me give you some advice. Don't boff someone else's wife. It rarely ends well.

Sorry, there's a lot (and I can write dozens and dozens more) that I dislike intensely about your Bible and the God it portrays. I want none of it.

That's fine, I'm okay with being a backboard. Take as many shots as you like.

 

[Sonofason]

You didn't answer my question.

Say they were rebellious and there was no law stopping you from killing them; would you kill them?

"If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him."

I'll put it this way. Such children probably deserve to die. This must have been very difficult for parents to deal with. Surely, they would have had some sense of love for their children, and putting such a child to death, even when they deserve it, must have been hard. Thank God for Christ who taught us that it is good to forgive. The law serves it purpose. It exposes truths about people however difficult they may be to face. But we can forgive people who deserve less, and we surely ought to.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Thank God for Christ who taught us that it is good to forgive.

I don't know about you, but I don't need god, Jesus, or the Bible to forgive. In all honesty, I got much better at that only after I quit being Christian.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'll put it this way. Such children probably deserve to die. This must have been very difficult for parents to deal with. Surely, they would have had some sense of love for their children, and putting such a child to death, even when they deserve it, must have been hard. Thank God for Christ who taught us that it is good to forgive. The law serves it purpose. It exposes truths about people however difficult they may be to face. But we can forgive people who deserve less, and we surely ought to.

Well, that's monstrous.

I'm glad you live in a place where the law is more moral than you or your scriptures are. I also wonder what you had to do to your kids to make them "obey every word you say," as you put it.

Personally, I don't think anyone who believes that children deserve to die for disobedience is fit to be a parent.

I really hope this is all just religious puffery on your part, and that you're just trying to put up a front that agrees with your so-called holy book.