Homosexuality and Religion

[Alceste]

There are...and gay activists made it an issue.

Can you give me an example please?

 

[Alceste]

Can you give me an example please?

Never mind, I found one myself. One study I turned up found that the brains of homosexual men were more like the brains of heterosexual women than heterosexual men.

It did not find that the brains of homosexuals are different from the brains of heterosexuals: It found that the brains of individuals who are attracted to men are different from those of individuals who are attracted to women, regardless of whether the individual in question is biologically male or female.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

Can you give me an example please?

I shouldn't have to unless you've been living under a rock somewhere. It wasn't too long ago that the differences were seen in brain scans. Gays were quick to pick up on it and say, "See?! It's not our fault! We were born this way." There may be an in-born tendency or vulnerability to outside influences, but it's not written in concrete.

Oops. People are accountable, after all.

Edit: your example goes to people being accountable unless you prefer to disregard experimental evidence.
Another edit: This was brought up to the Dali Lama and his response was to ask how they can be sure the thoughts didn't change the brain.

 

[rheff78]

Heres the hypocritcal part..I have run into quite a few Christian men that have divorced their wife specifically over her not having sex "for pleasure" only..How they "got away with it" with a clean conscience is declaring her an "unbeliever discontent to dwell in the marriage"..being that she was living in sin by her refusal not to engage in sex at all...or not often enough..Because PAUL SAID to not deny each other but for fasting and prayer in order to prevent the other from falling into tempataion and causing them to stumble and sin..

How they got away with running as fast as they could to find a new "bride(sex for pleasure partner) was stating that thier first wife in fact wasnt even a Christian..So their was no covenant in Gods eyes...

Blessings

Dallas

No you misunderstand the situation. YOu have sex with the understanding that reproduction is possible. Certainly casual sex between married couples is not a sin. COme on, are you that naive?

 

[Magic Man]

No you misunderstand the situation. YOu have sex with the understanding that reproduction is possible. Certainly casual sex between married couples is not a sin. COme on, are you that naive?

You mean naive enough to think that a married couple can have casual sex, because their marriage exempts them from the normal rules about sex, while a non-married couple can't have sex without it being a sin?

 

[DallasApple]

No you misunderstand the situation. YOu have sex with the understanding that reproduction is possible. Certainly casual sex between married couples is not a sin. COme on, are you that naive?

No I am not naive..Not in this sense..Im talking about the fact when reproduction is not even possibble or the two are choosing to not have children deliberatley..The sex is for pleasure only.(the sperm adn the egg are not in the picture).So how is that any different or any "less" wrong than a homosexual havign sex for pleasure?..You were talking about the design of sex betweeen a man and a woman in part was to reproduce..But in many couples that is not a possiblilty.And they have sex anyway..for fun..How is that any less "natural"..than a gay person havign sex for fun?

Blessings

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

No you misunderstand the situation. YOu have sex with the understanding that reproduction is possible. Certainly casual sex between married couples is not a sin. COme on, are you that naive?

Im also referrign to men wh will do something God hates..(divorce) to go and find a woman to marry that will give him the sex he wants..and it has nothing to do with desiring or trying to have children..It pure sex needs for sexual gratification..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Right...so its O.K for me to give my husband oral. and then he gives me oral in return..where the "parts dont meet that would get me pregnant"..Thats "natural"...thats O.K...but if a gay person does that same exact act that me and my hetersoexual husband do its "not natural" because they have homosexual mouths????

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Autodidact]

Can't frubal you but that's funny, ribald, and right-on.

 

[DallasApple]

Can't frubal you but that's funny, ribald, and right-on.

I dont know what ribald means but thank you...My friend that likes me and I like her back..

But hey...maybe I shouldnt listen to you because your mouth is homosexual?..
And I bet your hand is gay too.....Oh well I'll take my chances..so far its been worth it.. :flirt:

Love

Dallas

 

[fantome profane]

But hey...maybe I shouldnt listen to you because your mouth is homosexual?..
And I bet your hand is gay too...

This reminds me of a scene from the “Gay Merchant of Venice”.

I am a Gay.
Hath not a Gay eyes? hath not a Gay hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as
a Hetero is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that.

 

[DallasApple]

This reminds me of a scene from the “Gay Merchant of Venice”.

I am a Gay.
Hath not a Gay eyes? hath not a Gay hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as
a Hetero is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that.

This reminds me of an All in the Family episode I saw as a young girl..Archie was in a life and death situation..Needed a blood transfusion..Guess what?..to his horror he got "black blood"...He was really ****** off..But in the end..I think his heart softened and he realized we are all made of flesh and blood...and was "appreciative"..As appreciative as
Archie could get that is...

Love

Dallas

 

[Ashley-Yin]

This reminds me of a scene from the “Gay Merchant of Venice”.

I am a Gay.
Hath not a Gay eyes? hath not a Gay hands, organs,
dimensions, senses, affections, passions? fed with
the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject
to the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as
a Hetero is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?
if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison
us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not
revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that.

Sounds like something Jesus would say

 

[lilithu]

I am a gay male, and at the moment I am an agnostic, but I am leaning towards believing in the existence of God. I want to know what different religions think of homosexuality is?

Forgive me if this has already been posted by a fellow UU. I didn't feel like reading 18 pages of the same old arguing about homosexuality.

THE UNITARIAN-UNIVERSALIST ASSOCIATION AND HOMOSEXUALITY

UUA: History of Unitarian Universalist Involvement in and Support of Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Issues

As for the arguing in the thread, the OP asked for our respective opinions on the matter. He did not ask for it to degenerate into the same old arguments about it. Honestly, don't you haters ever get tired?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

just a simple theory any appropriate Law should be universal, If all the Humans become homosexuals mankind would extint because of reproduction, but if all Humans are straight nothing would happen.

By the same rationale, every profession but farming is wrong. After all, if we were all doctors or all teachers, we'd all die of starvation with nobody to grow food... but if all humans are farmers, nothing would happen. Right?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but 'others' is the priority and it is simply that I cannot find compassion for the few to over run compassion for the majority...

That is your bigotry. Claiming care and compassion yet focused only on the 'feelings' of the few rather than the majority. Limited sight, limited comprehension and definitely, reduced compassion.

How is compassion for the minority incompatible with compassion for the majority?

If the majority of gays came from pedophiles would you believe that?

Pedophilia is usually about control, not sexual attraction. Heterosexuals are just as likely to be pedophiles as homosexuals.

For the small proportion of pedophiles who do commit pedophilia out of attraction, their attraction is based on age, not gender.

A person attracted to adults of the same sex is no more likely to be a pedophile than a person attracted to adults of the opposite sex.

By the design of it. What is the end result of the act of sex? Why do we ejaculate? What purpose does it serve? Not simply for pleasure. There is a reason for it. The natural law dictates the act of sex, what the result is suppose to be. Like I said earlier, a wrench can make an effective weapon but that was not it's intent. If you use it for that you are still mis-using what it was designed for. I know this is off topic and I do apologize.

Are you actually arguing that we can infer the morality of an action by whether or not it's apparently "designed" for? How is "man was not meant to have gay sex" any different in nature from "man was not meant to fly" or "surgery goes against God's will"?

But I guess getting back to the OP, in Christianity (with the exception of I think the Episcopals) we are against the ACT of homosexuality. I think most religions throughout the world are pretty much in line with this.

In Christianity, there are a number of groups who are not against the act of homosexuality:

- some Episcopal/Anglican churches & diosceses (like you mentioned)
- many liberal Quaker meetings
- the Metropolitan Community Church
- the Unitarian Universalist Church (though not all are Christian-centric)
- some Baptist churches
- some Methodist groups
- some Lutheran groups
- some Presbyterian groups
- the United Church of Canada

In addition, I'm certain that there are other Christian groups and individuals who place as much emphasis on homosexuality as Jesus did in the Gospels, i.e. none at all.

You can find more details of the positions of various Christian denominations here. When it comes to accepting homosexuals, it's not just the Episcopals.

 

[Green Gaia]

Forgive me if this has already been posted by a fellow UU. I didn't feel like reading 18 pages of the same old arguing about homosexuality.

THE UNITARIAN-UNIVERSALIST ASSOCIATION AND HOMOSEXUALITY

UUA: History of Unitarian Universalist Involvement in and Support of Bisexual, Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Issues

As for the arguing in the thread, the OP asked for our respective opinions on the matter. He did not ask for it to degenerate into the same old arguments about it. Honestly, don't you haters ever get tired?

OMG, we must share the same brain tonight! I seriously was just composing almost the exact same post as you. Including the "I didn't feel like reading 18 pages of the same old arguing about homosexuality" comment.

:chalice:

 

[Magic Man]

OMG, we must share the same brain tonight! I seriously was just composing almost the exact same post as you. Including the "I didn't feel like reading 18 pages of the same old arguing about homosexuality" comment.

:chalice:

Well, they don't call you guys "Universalists" for nothing.

 

[lilithu]

In Christianity, there are a number of groups who are not against the act of homosexuality:

- some Episcopal/Anglican churches & diosceses (like you mentioned)
- many liberal Quaker meetings
- the Metropolitan Community Church
- the Unitarian Universalist Church (though not all are Christian-centric)
- some Baptist churches
- some Methodist groups
- some Lutheran groups
- some Presbyterian groups
- the United Church of Canada

In addition, I'm certain that there are other Christian groups and individuals who place as much emphasis on homosexuality as Jesus did in the Gospels, i.e. none at all.

You can find more details of the positions of various Christian denominations here. When it comes to accepting homosexuals, it's not just the Episcopals.

Yup. You forgot the UCC (United Church of Christ).

Dude, you have more patience than I do. Keep up the good work.

 

[wednesday]

Same arguement new thread
I've said it before and ill say it again the sooner the churches get over the fact that they've lost the battle the sooner we can get back to living our lives, perhaps do something useful like forge sustainable cities, renewable energy and so forth.

 

[waikru]

If the church accepts homosexuality or any other sins only then have they lost the battle.
Don't expect the catholic church to fold because they are outnumbered.
If 99 people say a tiger is a mouse and 1 man says a mouse is a mouse,should the man who is right call it a tiger to please the rest.