Homosexuality and religious.

[loverofhumanity]

So when a child is born with genes that cause cancer it is what's best for the child and family? Explain.

I was referring to the laws of God. If we are born with defects then that is why God gave us medical science to find the problem and correct it.

 

[F1fan]

I was referring to the laws of God.

These aren't valid laws since there is no God known to exist to authorize them. If you believe this God exists then you assume the respondibility to enforce them, plus any moral problems.

If we are born with defects then that is why God gave us medical science to find the problem and correct it.

Since medical science is quite new, and humans ahve existed for about 200,000 years, this is a very poor decision on your God's part. Humans suffered for many hundreds of years and were waiting for medical science to catch up? And medical science can only do so much. Even with chemotherapy it is exceptionally painful, and the outcomes uncertain.

It sounds as if your God is no better than godless nature.

 

[We Never Know]

These aren't valid laws since there is no God known to exist to authorize them. If you believe this God exists then you assume the respondibility to enforce them, plus any moral problems.


Since medical science is quite new, and humans ahve existed for about 200,000 years, this is a very poor decision on your God's part. Humans suffered for many hundreds of years and were waiting for medical science to catch up? And medical science can only do so much. Even with chemotherapy it is exceptionally painful, and the outcomes uncertain.

It sounds as if your God is no better than godless nature.

"since there is no God known to exist"

Can you or anyone show, prove, state with 100% fact that a god does or doesn't exist?

I can't. I simply say "if a god"

 

[loverofhumanity]

These aren't valid laws since there is no God known to exist to authorize them. If you believe this God exists then you assume the respondibility to enforce them, plus any moral problems.


Since medical science is quite new, and humans ahve existed for about 200,000 years, this is a very poor decision on your God's part. Humans suffered for many hundreds of years and were waiting for medical science to catch up? And medical science can only do so much. Even with chemotherapy it is exceptionally painful, and the outcomes uncertain.

It sounds as if your God is no better than godless nature.

I do believe that most of our problems are self created ones. Habits are passed down through generations which can affect our genes for the worse.

 

[We Never Know]

I do believe that most of our problems are self created ones. Habits are passed down through generations which can affect our genes for the worse.

"Habits are passed down through generations which can affect our genes for the worse"

I agree. Our use of chemicals, drugs, alcohol, smoking, pollution, etc. affect genes of offspring and create disease which again affects genes of offspring.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes I know. It’s because they live in such a spiritually bankrupt world that they just cannot fathom how such a deep love for God can exist.

Some sects of some religion are pretty spiritually bankrupt. They have all their dogmas and rules, and they break their own rules as much as non-believers. And when it comes to breaking sexual moral codes, which religion doesn't have people in it that break the sexual rules? Including the leaders?

 

[CG Didymus]

Conversion therapy. Hard to believe, eh? But then a lot is hard to believe on this topic.

And all those links you gave them where gay Baha'is tell their side of the story, plus the link to conversion therapy, I've seen very little response from Baha'is. As I recall one Baha'i said he doesn't what to listen to what some disgruntled person has to say about it.

 

[CG Didymus]

It is a matter between them and their beliefs. It is not for me to judge others. My job is to improve myself and make myself better.

That's what we're having a problem with. You believe you religion and obey everything it says. It's your religion that has passed judgement on homosexuals. Therefore, as a true believer in the Baha'i Faith, you also are passing judgement on homosexuals. They should not have sex... man on man and woman on woman. Your religion says it is wrong and forbids it, and you have committed yourself to believe that.

And some Baha'is do make it their business and report gay Baha'is. Have you read their stories? If not, why not? Shouldn't other Baha'is at least have enough compassion to listen to what they are saying?

 

[CG Didymus]

It is a personal matter between the person and God. It’s not for others to judge or interfere.

It is forbidden by the rules of the Baha'i Faith. It's not just "personnel". The Baha'i Faith puts it in the same category as adultery. So, Baha'is don't and should not pass judgement on Baha'is that are committing adultery? They should not interfere? Baha'is believe it is wrong, but they should mind their own business and let the person continue in their adulterous behavior? Are you sure that is what Baha'is are supposed to do?

 

[F1fan]

I do believe that most of our problems are self created ones. Habits are passed down through generations which can affect our genes for the worse.

Kind of like how religious beliefs are passed down through generations that can affect the morals of modern believers for the worse.

 

[CG Didymus]

Yes in the Most Holy Book.

Can you quote it? And it specifically uses the word "homosexuality" and that it is forbidden?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

The Tablet of Chasity and Purity.

‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablet of Chastity and Purity (Lawh-i-Tanzíyyih va Taqdís)

That is well worth considering.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

Trailblazer said: ↑
Did you manage to find a single post of mine calling anyone stupid, or am I owed yet another apology that will never manifest itself?
Happy hunting.

Trailblazer said: ↑
These detractors are just grasping at straws because no calumny is able to prevail against the Light of God. These detractors are also so stupid that they do not even realize that they are helping the Baha’is spread the Faith since any true seeker is going to check out their lies, and alas, they discover the truth.

I see you had to go back to November 2018 to find that post, and I am supposed to remember something I said four years ago? And please note I was not calling anyone on this forum stupid, I was calling the detractors who speak out against the Baha'i Faith on the internet stupid.

Trailblazer said: ↑
I am sure that religious people of my religion think I should be detached even if they do not say it to me because that is the belief, but I am not detached and I am not going to allow religious people to shame me, which is what they do with their stupid beliefs.

Okay, that was from April of this year, but please note I did not call the religious people stupid, I called their beliefs stupid.

 

[Sheldon]

I was referring to the laws of God. If we are born with defects then that is why God gave us medical science to find the problem and correct it.

So this deity sat watching for approximately 200k years of unimaginable suffering, waiting for one species of evolved ape to discover science. Sounds like a particularly cruel deity you've imagined to me.

Of course if we remove the assumption of a deity, the story works just fine without it. Occam's razor applies it seems.

 

[Sheldon]

Can you or anyone show, prove, state with 100% fact that a

Argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy. Invisible mermaids are pretty much impossible to disprove as well, how much credence are you suggesting we give their existence, at least as much as deities obviously , or you're being biased in the application of your fallacy.

 

[Sheldon]

I do believe that most of our problems are self created ones. Habits are passed down through generations

Like pernicious superstitions for example.

 

[Sheldon]

I agree. Our use of chemicals, drugs, alcohol, smoking, pollution, etc. affect genes of offspring and create disease which again affects genes of offspring.

Be a dear, and offer a citation for that, as it has all the hallmarks of bs made up on the spot.

 

[Sheldon]

The Tablet of Chasity and Purity.

Sounds like a riveting read that one.

 

[ppp]

I see you had to go back to November 2018 to find that post, and I am supposed to remember something I said four years ago? And please note I was not calling anyone on this forum stupid, I was calling the detractors who speak out against the Baha'i Faith on the internet stupid.

Did you manage to find a single post of mine calling anyone stupid,

Hmmm.

Okay, that was from April of this year, but please note I did not call the religious people stupid, I called their beliefs stupid.

No, he cannot call anyone stupid to their face because that is against the rules, so he calls their beliefs stupid, what’s the difference?

Uh huh.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes we believe that. God created us so He knows what is best for us.

Circular reasoning fallacy.