Homosexuality and religious.

[Spirit of Light]

So you admit that your own personal morality is different to the morality revealed in god's perfect word.
So now the million dollar question...
Which is superior?

I am not a perfect human being, of course my personal understanding will be different than God. I have not Gods wisdom

 

[KWED]

Do i agree on that?

Well, you see to have changed your position somewhat. You are now admitting that you don't necessarily agree with god's perfect morality and sometimes think your own personal morality is better.
Which is a start!
But then one has to wonder what the point of god is.

 

[KWED]

I am not a perfect human being, of course my personal understanding will be different than God. I have not Gods wisdom

Ah, so now you are saying that if you disagree with god's morality, you are wrong?
So why do you disagree?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well, you see to have changed your position somewhat. You are now admitting that you don't necessarily agree with god's perfect morality and sometimes think your own personal morality is better.
Which is a start!
But then one has to wonder what the point of god is.

My personal morality is far below Gods morality, i can not compare at all with it

 

[Spirit of Light]

Ah, so now you are saying that if you disagree with god's morality, you are wrong?
So why do you disagree?

Did i say i disagree with God? No, I said my understanding is not as clear as Gods wisdom. I can not see the truth at Gods higher wisdom level. meaning I will be wrong in my understanding, but the teaching guides me toward a more clear understanding

 

[Brian2]

Not homophobic

But he didn't say that, did he. He calls it immoral, evil, to be punished with death, etc.
That is homophobic.
And if you accept your god's moral position on it, then you are homophobic as well.

So homophobic is agreeing that the Bible God is the just and good judge of the world.
But do we know how God is going to judge anyone?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Who is comparing child rape to homosexuality?

You were.

I was replying to someone who claimed that Bahaullah said that we should ignore a person's bad actions and concentrate only on their good, even if the bad far outweighs the good.
Do you agree or does it sound like dangerous nonsense?

That someone was me.

Seeing the good in others and loving people isn't dangerous nonsense. That is the approach I take with those who identify as gay.

No one is claiming we should overlook the actions of a pedophile and it is clearly not the Baha'i position.

 

[Kenny]

Yesterday (for me) i was answering about a question relating to baha'i scripture and homosexuality. And i replied something like "I can not tell other what they can and can not do in their belief/faith."

The person who made the question then directly assumed i had to be a homophobic, hateful person against every LGBTQ person.

I just wonder, how is it possible to conclude that a person is homophobic or hateful from a reply like the one i gave?

Just to clerify my true stand on it, i am neutral to what other people do in their relationship sexually, i is not any of my business to critique them.

Sometime, because the person's conscience is bothering them, they react. Just continue loving the person remembering that God loves them too.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Sometime, because the person's conscience is bothering them, they react. Just continue loving the person.

That is my intention yes

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

If someone believes homosexuality is "a shameful aberration that needs purging from the world" - how TF can you not have an opinion on it!!

Perhaps this shows that other people's worlds aren't necessarily as black and white as yours, and that not all people are as opinionated as you, regardless of what the scriptures say according to your interpretation.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There is a vast difference in not believing in homosexuality and attacking, demeaning,
So although we don’t believe in homosexuality we abhor all forms of hatred and bigotry against homosexuals.


To regard homosexuals with prejudice and disdain would be entirely against the spirit of Bahá'í Teachings. The doors are open for all of humanity to enter the Cause of God, irrespective of their present circumstances; this invitation applies to homosexuals as well as to any others who are engaged in practices contrary to the Bahá'í Teachings. (Universal House of Justice)

 

[Spirit of Light]

There is a vast difference in not believing in homosexuality and attacking, demeaning,
So although we don’t believe in homosexuality we abhor all forms of hatred and bigotry against homosexuals.


To regard homosexuals with prejudice and disdain would be entirely against the spirit of Bahá'í Teachings. The doors are open for all of humanity to enter the Cause of God, irrespective of their present circumstances; this invitation applies to homosexuals as well as to any others who are engaged in practices contrary to the Bahá'í Teachings. (Universal House of Justice)

So my view and understanding is still within the Baha`i way of practice?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So my view and understanding is still within the Baha`i way of practice?

Yes. We love and accept all and condemn no one. We must forever seek to perfect our selves and never despise others.

 

[KWED]

What God do to other people, is Gods business, not mine

But if you worship that god, follow that god, condors that god's word and action to be perfect - then it is kinda your business.
You can't vote for a leader, knowing what their policies are, and then claim it's nothing to do with you when they implement those policies.

 

[KWED]

Yes of course there are homophobic passages in just about every god book and if everyone followed their scripture we'd still be in the dark ages murdering old ladies as witches and going on crusades.

Indeed.
And if a Christian said they weren't anti-witch, but it was morally acceptable for call for the death of witches, I would call them out on their hypocrisy.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But if you worship that god, follow that god, condors that god's word and action to be perfect - then it is kinda your business.
You can't vote for a leader, knowing what their policies are, and then claim it's nothing to do with you when they implement those policies.

God put down some guidelines for how to live. If God see people doing different, it is between God and that person, not between me judging other human through God

 

[KWED]

My personal morality is far below Gods morality, i can not compare at all with it

Ok. So even though you don't think homosexuality is immoral or evil or a sexual aberration that needs purging from the world, you think you are wrong to think this and you accept god's position on the issue as morally superior.

I can see why you feel confused.

 

[KWED]

Did i say i disagree with God? No, I said my understanding is not as clear as Gods wisdom. I can not see the truth at Gods higher wisdom level. meaning I will be wrong in my understanding, but the teaching guides me toward a more clear understanding

Ok. So you agree with everything god says, even if you don't understand it.
So you "blindly follow" god on the issue of homosexuality. You simply accept that it is immoral, evil, sexual aberration that needs purging from the world, but you don't know why it is.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yesterday (for me) i was answering about a question relating to baha'i scripture and homosexuality. And i replied something like "I can not tell other what they can and can not do in their belief/faith."

The person who made the question then directly assumed i had to be a homophobic, hateful person against every LGBTQ person.

I just wonder, how is it possible to conclude that a person is homophobic or hateful from a reply like the one i gave?

Just to clerify my true stand on it, i am neutral to what other people do in their relationship sexually, i is not any of my business to critique them.

Since we are on the subject... care to share what the Baha'i religion has to say on the topic of homosexuality?

 

[KWED]

So homophobic is agreeing that the Bible God is the just and good judge of the world.
But do we know how God is going to judge anyone?

Is condemning homosexuality and persecuting homosexuals because of what god says, homophobic?
Yes, absolutely!