Homosexuality is not natural and is not normality

[sojourner]

Wrong. Even homosexuals know that MALE/FEMALE procreation, evolutionarily, is absolutely necessary for the survival of any species.

Then let the heterosexuals take care of that little task. Ever heard of "overpopulation?

 

[sojourner]

In context of the topic.

What, particularly is "wrong" with the "plan?"

 

[Estro Felino]

Then let the heterosexuals take care of that little task. Ever heard of "overpopulation?

right. But overpopulation is such a big issue that straight people should take care of it too. In other words. straight people should avoid making too many babies too

 

[wizanda]

What, particularly is "wrong" with the "plan?"

Oh my word!..... The topic is about someone ranting that homosexuality isn't normal; so i pointed to nature and said 'there must be something wrong with the design plan then'. As clearly there are gay animals all over the place; so it is quite normal.

 

[gsa]

Then let the heterosexuals take care of that little task. Ever heard of "overpopulation?

And gays can reproduce for that matter; historically most of them probably did. But there's no need for them to reproduce with their sexual and romantic partners.

The problem with Hay85 and the others is that they are imposing backwards "natural law" arguments onto a debate over societal treatment of homosexuality. But those conventions are theological, not biological.

 

[gsa]

right. But overpopulation is such a big issue that straight people should take care of it too. In other words. straight people should avoid making too many babies too

Of course, that means that they would be engaged in "unnatural" lifestyles, using contraceptives or other techniques designed to avoid reproduction.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

When two people regardless the gender consummate their love, that physical love does not need to involve intercourse. I do not agree with any intercourse outside that needed for procreation (using ones imagination). I do agree that without limited specific actions (and not all gay actions fall into this category) are unnatural in themselves.

Any form for intimacy between two people who are committed to each other in a relationship is not unnatural. It just has to do with a few specific actions that the body is not designed to do; that, is unnatural--but that doesn't imply their intimacy with each other as a whole is unnatural.

I hope that the title is not misread. I don't mean that gay people are not normal; I just say that homosexual sex is not natural; of course, love is always natural, whether it is heterosexual or homosexual.

Because, as for sex, in a heterosexual intercourse there is perfection and it deals with something complementary.
So homosexual people (who are born that way) do deserve to fall in love with one another and being in a relationship with one another.
But two gay people are not as lucky as a straight couple. Because there is no complementary sex.
So being born gay is disadvantaged situation, compared to being born straight.
This disadvantage derives from the fact that straight people have a wider range of choice, being the majority. Gay people don't.


Saying that gay people are as lucky as straight people is a very hypocritical and hateful comment.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There is NOTHING wrong with being gay and having sexual relations, but just because you can stick a penis inside of something does not necessarily means that it is natural.

My point in a nutshell. Agreed.

 

[psychoslice]

There's a lot of things that are not natural, humans driving cars, flying in an airplane, smoking and on and on........and what is "normal", something that is normal to one culture may not be normal for another

 

[gsa]

Here's another problem: The body is not designed to do anything. The body is the product of billions of years of evolution, through the mechanism of natural selection. The body has functions within the limits of these parameters, but design implies a designer, and there's no evidence that this is by design.

If you think gay sex is unnatural because it does not have a reproductive function, then you have limited "natural" sex to reproductive sex, which is a very small piece of the pie. You are also calling into question the "naturalness" of the human body itself, since there are vestiges that have no modern function. Does that make humans unnatural? No, that's absurd.

 

[Jumi]

Naturally (evolutionarily), it is extremely important. It is the ultimate driving force behind where we, as humans, and in fact other animals, are today. Without sex, larger organisms would go extinct..

But for a species as dominant as ours it doesn't matter if even more humans were gay or asexual. I don't think we are even evolving at this point since most can reproduce.

 

[averageJOE]

Because, as for sex, in a heterosexual intercourse there is perfection and it deals with something complementary.
So homosexual people (who are born that way) do deserve to fall in love with one another and being in a relationship with one another.
But two gay people are not as lucky as a straight couple. Because there is no complementary sex.

What is "complementary sex"?

 

[gsa]

My point in a nutshell. Agreed.

But the point is dumb. If you believe this, then only one action is "natural," and that is vaginal intercourse with the possibility of procreation. Any other activity is rendered "unnatural," including vaginal sex with contraceptives or condoms, oral sex, etc.

Used this way, most sexual behavior is unnatural. Which is ridiculous.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Here's another problem: The body is not designed to do anything. The body is the product of billions of years of evolution, through the mechanism of natural selection. The body has functions within the limits of these parameters, but design implies a designer, and there's no evidence that this is by design.

If you think gay sex is unnatural because it does not have a reproductive function, then you have limited "natural" sex to reproductive sex, which is a very small piece of the pie. You are also calling into question the "naturalness" of the human body itself, since there are vestiges that have no modern function. Does that make humans unnatural? No, that's absurd.

How do you know it is not designed to do anything?

 

[Jumi]

no offense, but I find this last sentence very mean to people like me.
Because I was born gay and I feel disadvantaged because you straight people have a much wider range of choice.

I think what you are doing is trying to force yourself to be straight. That's why your opinionated posts about what makes "women" sexy sound so strange to many of us who are and were born straight. For what it's worth I don't think you are missing out on anything by being gay.

 

[Robert.Evans]

But the point is dumb. If you believe this, then only one action is "natural," and that is vaginal intercourse with the possibility of procreation. Any other activity is rendered "unnatural," including vaginal sex with contraceptives or condoms, oral sex, etc.

Used this way, most sexual behavior is unnatural. Which is ridiculous.

They would be unnatural yes.

 

[jeager106]

Perhaps I should rephrase?
Homosexuality is not normal sexual behavior to me.
I'm heterosexual, ergo same gender sex isn't natural or normal in my
world view.
I don't care about homosexual behavior as it affects me not in the least.
Anyone care to pic the nit some more?

 

[gsa]

How do you know it is not designed to do anything?

Design requires a designer, but everything we know about life shows that what we describe as "design" is shorthand for function created by adaptation by way of natural selection.

 

[Jumi]

How do you know it is not designed to do anything?

It may seem like it was designed because it is what survived.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sex isn't only about procreation. It has a very, very strong social and bonding element to it, as well. Social bonding is fundamental to our species. Procreation may be an element of species-survival, but social bonding is much more immediate and therefore relevant to a given group.

When bonding is denied, or a certain type of desired bonding is ridiculed and mocked, it can lead to very poor psychological development. It's a huge reason why there's such high levels of depression and suicide among LGBT+ folk.

Therefore, homosexual sex is perfectly normal and natural, because it's a bonding experience that heterosexual people can still relate to.