Homosexuality is not natural and is not normality

[Revoltingest]

But rare steak is the best. Pink, tender, juicy, and flavorful.

Ugh! Less taste....more live parasites.
Steake...cook it til it's dead, & cover it with habenero sauce!

 

[Norman]

You do know what the word "natural" means, right? Something that occurs in or pertains to nature. Humans are a part of nature. What we do is automatically natural. Homosexuality is known to take place in other animals. Take note that "natural" is in no way correlated to "good/bad" or "advantageous/disadvantageous".

Norman: Hi Emergence, We are not animals, how in the world can you compare animals to human beings like we are equals or something?

 

[gsa]

Norman: Hi Jumi, There must be something special about sex because between a man and a woman that is how babies are made. Why do so
many people dance around this?

Except that is not how babies are made. Most heterosexual sex does not result in procreation. There is a single act that, under the right conditions, may or may not result in procreation. And the procreation is not the result of the sexual act, but the fertilization of a woman’s eggs by a man’s semen. All of this can be accomplished without sex, moreover, with in vitro fertilization. Moreover, nothing about homosexual intimacy affects heterosexual intimacy or procreation.

Unfortunately for religious ideologues, knowledge of human biology and developments in biotechnology have undermined the supernatural claims that were used to elevate the missionary position into a sacrament. It isn’t a miracle, it isn’t a mystery. If everyone stopped having heterosexual sex tomorrow we could still produce viable fetuses. In fact, if we are successful at developing ectogenesis and using artificial wombs, and in creating artificial eggs and artificial sperm, technological developments often impeded by reactionary legislation supported by religious reactionaries, we can in fact decouple human sexuality from reproduction altogether.

Somehow, I doubt those developments would do anything to change your opinion about homosexuality, so please don't pretend that reproduction is your concern here.

 

[gsa]

Norman: Hi Emergence, We are not animals, how in the world can you compare animals to human beings like we are equals or something?

We are animals. That's not negotiable or debatable.

 

[Norman]

no offense, but I find this last sentence very mean to people like me.
Because I was born gay and I feel disadvantaged because you straight people have a much wider range of choice. Because straight people (including bisexuals) are the majority. it is very rare to meet straight people who are single, unless by choice

Gay people are single almost always by choice

Norman: Hi Hay85, In my opinion this would have been a better opening on your thread than the one that you started with. Although
I am against same sex attraction and same sex marriage, I totally feel just from this post your agony and sensitive feelings about you
who are. You should not feel that way about yourself, especially if you feel that you were born gay, don't put yourself thru it.

 

[Norman]

Except that is not how babies are made. Most heterosexual sex does not result in procreation. There is a single act that, under the right conditions, may or may not result in procreation. And the procreation is not the result of the sexual act, but the fertilization of a woman’s eggs by a man’s semen. All of this can be accomplished without sex, moreover, with in vitro fertilization. Moreover, nothing about homosexual intimacy affects heterosexual intimacy or procreation.

Unfortunately for religious ideologues, knowledge of human biology and developments in biotechnology have undermined the supernatural claims that were used to elevate the missionary position into a sacrament. It isn’t a miracle, it isn’t a mystery. If everyone stopped having heterosexual sex tomorrow we could still produce viable fetuses. In fact, if we are successful at developing ectogenesis and using artificial wombs, and in creating artificial eggs and artificial sperm, technological developments often impeded by reactionary legislation supported by religious reactionaries, we can in fact decouple human sexuality from reproduction altogether.

Somehow, I doubt those developments would do anything to change your opinion about homosexuality, so please don't pretend that reproduction is your concern here.

Norman: Who is pretending? Reproduction is what it is all about between two human beings, period. All the above list is not of God, I do not see any of that in the Bible. People who agree with same sex attraction says you can't include God or religion. Those against same sex attraction are coming at it in this exact way, no other way.

 

[gsa]

Norman: Hi Hay85, In my opinion this would have been a better opening on your thread than the one that you started with. Although
I am against same sex attraction and same sex marriage, I totally feel just from this post your agony and sensitive feelings about you
who are. You should not feel that way about yourself, especially if you feel that you were born gay, don't put yourself thru it.

This doesn't seem very honest to me. You should expect him to agonize over his feelings, and in fact fight them, since you believe it is a grievous sin and deeply immoral to act on them. Unless you want to condemn him to the outer darkness or the telestial kingdom or wherever it is that homosexual offenders go.

 

[Norman]

We are animals. That's not negotiable or debatable.

Norman: Everything is negotiable and debatable, and no, we are not animals. If you want to compare yourself to an animal
that is your choice, don't put the rest of the human species in that category.

 

[Norman]

This doesn't seem very honest to me. You should expect him to agonize over his feelings, and in fact fight them, since you believe it is a grievous sin and deeply immoral to act on them. Unless you want to condemn him to the outer darkness or the telestial kingdom or wherever it is that homosexual offenders go.

Norman: That is your problem gsaseeker, I know what I meant by my comment. I don't need your approval or what you think I meant. This thread is not
about any specific religion, so stay on topic if you can?

 

[gsa]

Norman: Everything is negotiable and debatable, and no, we are not animals. If you want to compare yourself to an animal
that is your choice, don't put the rest of the human species in that category.

How can you even use the term "human species" with a straight face while denying that humans belong in the taxonomic category of animalia?

 

[gsa]

Norman: That is your problem gsaseeker, I know what I meant by my comment. I don't need your approval or what you think I meant. This thread is not
about any specific religion, so stay on topic if you can?

So what did you mean? Your comment seems obtuse to me.

 

[columbus]

Norman: Hi Tom, I am religious person and I have no problem with distinguishing between facts and my feelings. Actually, with my religious belief's,
facts become more clearer in understanding.

Hi Norman.
No you can't. You can't say why you believe what you do. You just put it down to what other people have told you to believe.

That is called scripture.

Even when other LDS suggest that you look at what you believe you don't. Like katspur. You just blow them off , because you know better.

Your fellow religionists have been shown up many times. From polygamy to racism, you keep being proved wrong. You're going to be proved wrong on this one as well.

You can't tell a feeling from a fact.

Tom

 

[Parsimony]

no offense, but I find this last sentence very mean to people like me.
Because I was born gay and I feel disadvantaged because you straight people have a much wider range of choice. Because straight people (including bisexuals) are the majority. it is very rare to meet straight people who are single, unless by choice

Gay people are single almost always by choice

How did you get any meanness out of me saying that homosexuality is natural? Please also quote where I said anything about homosexuals not being disadvantaged.

Norman: Hi Emergence, We are not animals, how in the world can you compare animals to human beings like we are equals or something?

We are in the taxonomic kingdom Animalia. That would make us a part of the animal kingdom, particularly mammals. Even if we weren't animals, we'd still be a part of nature. As to whether we are "equal" to other animals, you'd have to define what you mean by "equal".

 

[Jumi]

Norman: Hi Jumi, There must be something special about sex because between a man and a woman that is how babies are made. Why do so
many people dance around this?

I was talking about the experience itself. There are now so many abandoned babies you can adopt if you want one.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If you want to compare yourself to an animal
that is your choice, don't put the rest of the human species in that category.

Humans are animals. Intelligent ones admittedly, but still animals. The "Planet of the Apes" films are quite instructive in this respect.

 

[turk179]

Norman: Everything is negotiable and debatable, and no, we are not animals. If you want to compare yourself to an animal
that is your choice, don't put the rest of the human species in that category.

You seem to be using the definition of animal that means growling wild beast where the other's arguing with you are using the scientific definition of animal in regards to the class animalia which means you are a multi celled organism that thinks and moves independently (rough definition because my desire to copy and paste is not very high lol) So you are indeed an animal Norman unless you are a plant or a puppet.

Norman: Hi Hay85, In my opinion this would have been a better opening on your thread than the one that you started with. Although
I am against same sex attraction and same sex marriage, I totally feel just from this post your agony and sensitive feelings about you
who are. You should not feel that way about yourself, especially if you feel that you were born gay, don't put yourself thru it.

I disagree with your opinions on homosexuality but agree with you and Mystic's view:

Your posts unfortunately speak IMO as incredibly full of self-loathing. So, I'll say this based on my interepretation as such....Relax, dude. Being queer is just as good as being straight in terms of inherent value.

Hey85, you just sound like you are experiencing a huge conflict of interest between your sexual preference and your religion so I would seriously consider taking Mystic's and Norman's advice about relaxing and not putting yourself through all the negative crap.

I am not over.-romanticizing it. Straight sex is romantic, homosexual sex rarely is.
it's a fact.

That fact is extremely inaccurate. This tells me that you have never been in a homosexual relationship or you have been in very bad relationships.

 

[LuisDantas]

Norman: Everything is negotiable and debatable, and no, we are not animals. If you want to compare yourself to an animal
that is your choice, don't put the rest of the human species in that category.

Of course we are animals. You might as well claim that we do not have physical bodies.

 

[Godobeyer]

I agree about Title , no shy .

for my opinion , homosex and lesbien is mental disease , just say an opinion ,no offend.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I agree about Title , no shy .

for my opinion , homosex and lesbien is mental disease , just say an opinion ,no offend.

The DSM IV does not list homosexuality or bisexuality as psychiatric disorders.

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM-IV) | AllPsych

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree about Title , no shy .

for my opinion , homosex and lesbien is mental disease , just say an opinion ,no offend.

It could be viewed as a "disease" in the same sense that the old Asperger's Syndrome (now rolled into "Autism Spectrum" in DSM V) is. A deviation from what is most common (aka "normal) isn't necessarily anything dysfunctional or wrong. (All of our traits are definitely natural though.) Just offering a perspective for all to consider.