Homosexuality...

[jewscout]

EDIT: Anal sex among lesbians is not widely known, and obviously anal sex is not glorified in any other section of the popolation as it is among gay men. I don't want to imagine how they do that

i don't know about all that...there's alot of heterosexual porno w/ anal sex involved

crapfully yours,
JS

 

[Green Gaia]

While I applaud that lesbians have finally been shown in commited, healthy relationships on TV, I think we'll have come a lot further when gay men can be shown in the same light.

I agree. Lesbians are shown not much different than straight women, but gay men are still usually seen as hairdressers and interior decorators, and/or so fussy that even I want to slap them (Jack from Will and Grace comes to mind). None of the gay man I've known in my life have been anything like that.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Define 'harmful' Anal sex is not any more harmful than heterosexual (vaginal) sex is.

And how is oral sex not harmful? you can get as many STIs from oral sex as you can from heterosexual.

I won't tell you, either... *shifty eyes*

Ok, we all know that STDs can be transmitted by all forms of unprotected sexual contact. I am referring specifically to the nature of the rectum and contrasting it to the nature of the vagina. The tissue of the rectum is much thinner than the tissue of the vagina, and therefore anal sex is more painful and unnatural. Risk of infection is also high because the rectum does not have the same mucus membranes that provide lubrication and protection from invasive bacteria. At the same time, the rectum is a source of infection for whatever enters it as it is where fesces are expelled. It is a hole in the body, but the hole is obviously functional as a means of the expulsion of waste rather than an entrance point for objects.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

i don't know about all that...there's alot of heterosexual porno w/ anal sex involved

crapfully yours,
JS

Fortunately porn is not a source of scientific information. :woohoo:

 

[jewscout]

Fortunately porn is not a source of scientific information

ahh but i'm not talking about porno as a source of scientific data...you said...

EDIT: Anal sex among lesbians is not widely known, and obviously anal sex is not glorified in any other section of the popolation as it is among gay men. I don't want to imagine how they do that

you are talking about sex within popular culture, not science...trust me anal sex is portrayed HEAVILY in heterosexual pornography...you don't need to be a gay man to do it...

 

[Green Gaia]

angellous_evangellous: you still haven't explained how gay men glorify anal sex when from my perspective it's those who oppose gay men having sex at all that seem to harp on the subject of anal sex.

If gay men practice anal sex which you say is harmful and that is the reason you're giving against homosexuality, wouldn't you also have to condemn oral sex since that is the type of sex usually associated with lesbian sex and can be harmful as well?

(I believe that the most times I've ever used the word sex in any post, lol.)

 

[angellous_evangellous]

angellous_evangellous: you still haven't explained how gay men glorify anal sex when from my perspective it's those who oppose gay men having sex at all that seem to harp on the subject of anal sex.

If gay men practice anal sex which you say is harmful and that is the reason you're giving against homosexuality, wouldn't you also have to condemn oral sex since that is the type of sex usually associated with lesbian sex and can be harmful as well?

(I believe that the most times I've ever used the word sex in any post, lol.)

Actually, I did address female homosexuality in my first post on this topic in this thread (#10), specifically that it requires religious convictions rather than scientific argumentation, which is why we started talking about its dangers, in response to which I said that I assumed committed realtionships, which excludes porn.

EDIT: No, I do not condemn oral sex (at least scientifically), which I why I did not present an argument against female homosexuality (scientific or otherwise). Oral sex does not include the misuse of the rectum, which is the argument against anal sex, which is commonly associated with male homosexuality. Since oral sex does not obviously misuse the body as anal sex does, it is condemned on other grounds, which is why I said that it requires religious arugmentation and not scientific.

Thanks

 

[angellous_evangellous]

ahh but i'm not talking about porno as a source of scientific data...you said...


you are talking about sex within popular culture, not science...trust me anal sex is portrayed HEAVILY in heterosexual pornography...you don't need to be a gay man to do it...

In that case, I must thank you. I had no idea that anal sex was heavily glorified in heterosexual porn. I associate anal sex with male homosexuality as their primary means of sexual intimacy, and realize that it is celebrated elsewhere, though not on the same level.

 

[Jaymes]

Maybe my headache is making me not get this, but is it me or are we going with the assumption that all homosexual males participate in anal sex?

 

[Feathers in Hair]

(More 'Feathers-uses-shocking-words' warnings for this one!)

Okay, here's my confusion about the idea of science/ anal sex in this thread.

If someone is in love with another person, and they are having an informed and caring consensual physical sharing of that love, why does anything else matter? Unless they are defying the laws of physics (which I'm pretty sure scientists frown on), I'm not sure science has any say in who gets to love who and how.

 

[jewscout]

Maybe my headache is making me not get this, but is it me or are we going with the assumption that all homosexual males participate in anal sex?

some are...but it has not always been my experience that it is a universally practiced custom...i wouldn't be surprised to find that heterosexual couples have anal sex more often...
so what if the homosexual male couple only participate in oral sex and no anal??:sarcastic

 

[angellous_evangellous]

some are...but it has not always been my experience that it is a universally practiced custom...i wouldn't be surprised to find that heterosexual couples have anal sex more often...
so what if the homosexual male couple only participate in oral sex and no anal??:sarcastic

If they practiced oral sex only, I must revert to my previous qualification in post #10 concerning female homosexuality.

At this point, then, I can share with everyone two thoughts. First, my argument against male homosexuality is based largely upon the harmful nature of anal sex, and I am consistent in my application of this principle: I see anal sex as destructive in any circumstance because of its destructive nature. Second, I have long held as a Christian that the nature of sexual perversians must be revealed.

That is, on our own as humans we can't really figure out what is a perversian and what is intended. We can see by nature that only heteros can produce children (this is now changing with and only by new reproductive technologies) and families which are stable can produce the best affect upon society (Plato's poletia), but a clear arugment for these points is quickly loosing ground in our pagan society. Because I think that the nature of sex is revealed, we cannot achieve full knowledge of sexual ethics with regards to homosexuality (fortunately we can argue against rape, polygamy, and child abuse still by reason) by reason or by experience. Therefore, people should be free to express themselves sexually (even though they may be nuts in doing so) as long as no harm to society is provable.

However, as a Christian, I beleive that God revealed sexual ethics to us, these ethics compliment so far what we know scientifically and pschologically. If a gay gene is found, then we simply will have to approach it theologically like we already apporach alcoholism: a genetic tendacy is present, but it has been revealed to us as sin. If anyone wants to continue in any sin, their freedom should be honored as long as several criteria are met (stuff like standards of harm, honoring of human dignity - murder should not be legal, etc).

 

[jewscout]

We can see by nature that only heteros can produce children (this is now changing with and only by new reproductive technologies) and families which are stable can produce the best affect upon society (Plato's poletia), but a clear arugment for these points is quickly loosing ground in our pagan society.

HAHA:biglaugh:

 

[linwood]

That is, on our own as humans we can't really figure out what is a perversian and what is intended.

I know a couple people who would disagree with that presumption.

If a gay gene is found, then we simply will have to approach it theologically like we already apporach alcoholism:

As far as the legal ramifications within our society are concerned this will be over waaaayy before the discovery of any Gay gene.
Not that it is relevant anyway.

 

[Lycan]

Is there a hetero gene?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

No .....

 

[Prima]

Angellus-evangellus, I still don't understand why you associate gay men with anal sex so much. Many gay couples don't even have anal sex...Heh. And after you have both anal and vaginal sex, you may tell me which is more 'painful and unnatural' *grin*

But as always, Feathers is right. Science has little or nothing to do with ethics.

Researchers are completely divided on the 'gay gene' idea. But regardless...

'Unmasking sexual perversion...' Okay, so we've unmasked it. We understand that you consider it perverse. But the fact that YOU think it's a perversion doesn't mean everyone does.

 

[Prima]

Oh, I forgot one more thing. 'Sexual perversion' would include a lot of things that have nothing to do with homosexuality. I'm positive that everyone has involved themselves with untraditional sexual practices - or perversions, as you call them.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Oh, I forgot one more thing. 'Sexual perversion' would include a lot of things that have nothing to do with homosexuality. I'm positive that everyone has involved themselves with untraditional sexual practices - or perversions, as you call them.

I knew someone once who thought oral sex was the result of demonic possession.
Depending on when and where you're coming from, anything more than laying on your back and thinking of England might be deemed a perversion.

 

[Prima]

Ah, exactly