Hope this is not out of line...

[Just_me_Mike]

I am wondering if this is out of line. I hope it isn't as I am sure there are many here that would like to learn more about this.

I have heard on the RF some Muslims casually mention that purposefully changing the Quran, perverting the text and teaching something contrary to what it actually says, is reason for severe punishment.

Of the Muslims on the RF, do you feel serious punishment, and by serious I mean physical pain or long term jail sentencing is warranted for this act?
Also, can you see yourself carrying out or participating in convicting a person of such an act?

 

[Bismillah]

Are you talking about changing the Qur'an 1200 years ago or today because there is a MASSIVE difference.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Are you talking about changing the Qur'an 1200 years ago or today because there is a MASSIVE difference.

Answer to both would be fine.
Also, please answer if you personally were living back then, and of course today.

 

[Bismillah]

A man who created a Hadith 1200 years ago deserves capital punishment due to the fact the vast collection of Hadith that often contradicted each other and were unverifiable. I would be adding to a very serious problem and setting down a false precedent in a religion which to its very core emphasizes the totality of Truth and Revelation.

Of course a man who fabricates his own Hadith now or even a couple centuries after Imam Bukhari would be laughed at because of the fact that there is a codified set of Haidth which are known to be true and have a large collection of evidence to back their nature.

So can I see myself carrying out the act? As I stated no because there is no longer any need for it.

 

[LuisDantas]

Are you saying that the Hadiths were always, and unavoidably, a bad idea?

 

[Bismillah]

Are you saying that the Hadiths were always, and unavoidably, a bad idea?

Of course not the Hadiths, in themselves, were just recounting the sayings of the Prophet and an important and inviolable part of Islam to implement faith in the world. Rather, those who used the Hadith to their own purposes were the crux of the problem and those who fabricated the Hadith were the worst of them, reflecting the picking and choosing by scholars and politicians of religion to support their agenda.

The Hadith as we know them are almost assuredly complete and authentic.

 

[Starsoul]

I am wondering if this is out of line. I hope it isn't as I am sure there are many here that would like to learn more about this.

I have heard on the RF some Muslims casually mention that purposefully changing the Quran, perverting the text and teaching something contrary to what it actually says, is reason for severe punishment.

Of the Muslims on the RF, do you feel serious punishment, and by serious I mean physical pain or long term jail sentencing is warranted for this act?

Also, can you see yourself carrying out or participating in convicting a person of such an act?

Number 1, Quran within the believing muslims cannot change, and has not changed, as Allah swt has taken the responsibility for that, all sects of Muslims, even the minorities, have the same copy of Quran, whether or not they believe all of it. The source is the same. But there have been some efforts to sell the Quran with edited version in the US, and Middle east, which have been very clearly identified and sued for their attempt.

2. why would anyone want to change it? Lets say, Its copy righted by God, man does not have the authority to change it, or the capability even, so if anyone tries to change it, it means that they are attempting to forge, counterfeit a text, with a fraudulent intent to bamboozle people by adding self made lies to the text, with the intention of fooling the people, billions of people who are muslims, and those who are not, since you are guilty of changing a text which is read by so many non-muslims too,and your edit will make add lies to the source.

3. Imagine what kind of lies you'd be adding, and imagine if all the people were to sue you for perpetrating and propagating those lies, while fully knowing well what you were doing.

And lastly, why did you ask this question? I mean, is it relevant to something you have come across recently?

 

[TashaN]

I am wondering if this is out of line. I hope it isn't as I am sure there are many here that would like to learn more about this.

I have heard on the RF some Muslims casually mention that purposefully changing the Quran, perverting the text and teaching something contrary to what it actually says, is reason for severe punishment.

Of the Muslims on the RF, do you feel serious punishment, and by serious I mean physical pain or long term jail sentencing is warranted for this act?
Also, can you see yourself carrying out or participating in convicting a person of such an act?

I'm not sure what type of change are you talking about, but it is really not a big deal because Quran is well known verse by verse since it was revealed to Mohamed peace be upon him 1400 years a go.

I need to see the information you have received in context to judge what that Muslim was talking about.

 

[AishaRayann]

maybe this help

The Noble Qur'an Al-Hijr 15:9

Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)
Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib

The Prophet said, If anyone introduces an innovation in the religion, he will be responsible for it. (Good or bad). If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in the religion) he is cursed by Allaah, by His angels and by all the people.


Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #5142, Narrated AbuBakr as-Siddiq

You people recite this verse, "You who believe, care for yourselves; he who goes astray cannot harm you when you are rightly guided." I heard Allah's Messenger SAAWS say, "When people see something objectionable and do not change it, Allah will soon include them all in His punishment."

Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:54

Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad ) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)."

 

[Starsoul]

maybe this help

The Noble Qur'an Al-Hijr 15:9

Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)
Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Ali ibn Abu Talib

The Prophet said, If anyone introduces an innovation in the religion, he will be responsible for it. (Good or bad). If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in the religion) he is cursed by Allaah, by His angels and by all the people.


Hadith - Al-Tirmidhi #5142, Narrated AbuBakr as-Siddiq

You people recite this verse, "You who believe, care for yourselves; he who goes astray cannot harm you when you are rightly guided." I heard Allah's Messenger SAAWS say, "When people see something objectionable and do not change it, Allah will soon include them all in His punishment."

Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:54

Say: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad ) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allah's Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)."

Very good post Aisha!