How about this?

[Pegg]

Actually, what you say now is different than what you said when you replied to that question in post # 14. So i am now a bit confused about what your position is.

Whats to be confused about?

As a christian, its not up to me to bring a criminal to justice. Im not a judge or executioner.

Christians have been given one job to focus on.... preach the good news of the Kingdom. Thats our job.

The police have their job which is to deal with criminals. What don't you understand about that???

 

[Big_TJ]

Whats to be confused about?

As a christian, its not up to me to bring a criminal to justice. Im not a judge or executioner.

Christians have been given one job to focus on.... preach the good news of the Kingdom. Thats our job.

The police have their job which is to deal with criminals. What don't you understand about that???

Because the police would also be operating on biblical\christian principles. So if our society was run solely on Christian principles (which was the original question), we would either have no police force or a police force that operates solely on christian principles. So,as you said, persons who didnt act according to those principles would be dealt with by God..not by men. ...which means rapist would be wiped off the earth by God; not judged and punished by man..

Did i misunderstood your position?

 

[Pegg]

Because the police would also be operating on biblical\christian principles. So if our society was run solely on Christian principles (which was the original question), we would either have no police force or a police force that operates solely on christian principles. So,as you said, persons who didnt act according to those principles would be dealt with by God..not by men. ...which means rapist would be wiped off the earth by God; not judged and punished by man..

Did i misunderstood your position?

way back i said if everyone lived by christian principles, we wouldnt' have criminals.

I dont undestand your argument. It makes no sense. Christianity is about submission to God and obedience to his laws and standards. Its not about policing the wicked.

 

[Big_TJ]

way back i said if everyone lived by christian principles, we wouldnt' have criminals.

I dont undestand your argument. It makes no sense. Christianity is about submission to God and obedience to his laws and standards. Its not about policing the wicked.

Actually it wasn't an argument - I was just paraphrasing everything you said. So obviously I misunderstood you. So let's try this again. Let me ask the original question again; if you don't mind.

If we are to build our society solely on Christian/Biblical teachings, how would we deal with persons who break the law - whether it be pick pockets, rapists or murderers?

As I indicated, whichever society you build, you will likely have persons breaking the law. So, if we were to implement a solely biblical/Christian's approach to governing our society - in this present day - how should these rapist be handled?

 

[Pegg]

Actually it wasn't an argument - I was just paraphrasing everything you said. So obviously I misunderstood you. So let's try this again. Let me ask the original question again; if you don't mind.

If we are to build our society solely on Christian/Biblical teachings, how would we deal with persons who break the law - whether it be pick pockets, rapists or murderers?

As I indicated, whichever society you build, you will likely have persons breaking the law. So, if we were to implement a solely biblical/Christian's approach to governing our society - in this present day - how should these rapist be handled?

For one, we can't do it without God being the arbitrator and judge. Because Christians themselves would not be the judges and executioners of the wicked. In Christianity, all mankind are equals. Thats why we are told not to be judging the other.
So we would absolutely need Gods intervention in that regard.

Secondly, 'in this present day' the world is ruled by the wicked one, not God.
And christianity is purely about every person submitting to Gods rulership and authority. But for as long as Satan the devil is the ruler of this world, his influence and wickedness will continue until he is removed.

 

[Big_TJ]

For one, we can't do it without God being the arbitrator and judge. Because Christians themselves would not be the judges and executioners of the wicked. In Christianity, all mankind are equals. Thats why we are told not to be judging the other.
So we would absolutely need Gods intervention in that regard.

Secondly, 'in this present day' the world is ruled by the wicked one, not God.
And christianity is purely about every person submitting to Gods rulership and authority. But for as long as Satan the devil is the ruler of this world, his influence and wickedness will continue until he is removed.

Ok; I think I get it. So, from a practical perspective, it would be nonsensical to even attempt to have today's society based on Christian/biblical principles because of the devil in charge; correct?

 

[Pegg]

Ok; I think I get it. So, from a practical perspective, it would be nonsensical to even attempt to have today's society based on Christian/biblical principles because of the devil in charge; correct?

Yes, thats correct. If a nation used Gods laws as the basis for their society, it would be a far better place then what we have now. But for as long as there are people who refuse to live at peace with their fellow man, there would still be the same problems we have now.

As individuals we can live by Gods laws and apply them, but we will still come up against people who dont apply them, so society will still have a level of disharmony due to people who want to make trouble. This is why the bible advises us to stay away from people who do not uphold Gods laws... if we limit our association with such ones, we will be better off.

And thats why, for as along as mankind are self-governed and Satan exists, the world will continue to decline into crime, violence, war and moral breakdown.

 

[Jensen]

But the bible told us, the imperfect beings, that we should not judge. So, if we, as imperfect beings are trying to live by this biblical principle, how should we deal with a rapist?

Pegg suggested that we just allow them to keep raping until Jehovah decide to wipe them from the face of the earth; what's your take on this?

What makes you think there will be rapists in the future Kingdom of God? I'm referring to Paradise. This kingdom is the kingdom that the resurrected will be spending eternity in, those that have their sins forgiven and live for eternity sinless. If those that are going to continue to sin were to be there, it would be no different than how we live today. And not the Kingdom of God.

In the meantime the earth will be ruled by man..........and their governments deal with these things as they see fit, which is less than perfect.

 

[Jensen]

Big TJ, I see, you are talking about the world now.
And so, I get it....never mind my last response.
God bless...

 

[Big_TJ]

Big TJ, I see, you are talking about the world now.
And so, I get it....never mind my last response.
God bless...

no problem

 

[Big_TJ]

Yes, thats correct. If a nation used Gods laws as the basis for their society, it would be a far better place then what we have now. But for as long as there are people who refuse to live at peace with their fellow man, there would still be the same problems we have now.

As individuals we can live by Gods laws and apply them, but we will still come up against people who dont apply them, so society will still have a level of disharmony due to people who want to make trouble. This is why the bible advises us to stay away from people who do not uphold Gods laws... if we limit our association with such ones, we will be better off.

And thats why, for as along as mankind are self-governed and Satan exists, the world will continue to decline into crime, violence, war and moral breakdown.

hmmm.... ok

 

[kjw47]

hmmm.... ok

Gods kingdom is mankind' only remaining hope--it is close. God has placed a choice before all-Deuteronomy 30:19---Life or death-- our actions prove the majority. There are only two kinds of people on earth--- The righteous---the wicked. Not by mortal standards, but by Gods standards.--Jesus taught man needs to live by every utterance from God(spiritual food Daily) as important as sustaining ones physical life with bread.( food)
Too many of these teachers prevalent on earth-2Cor 11:12-15)--

 

[Big_TJ]

Gods kingdom is mankind' only remaining hope--it is close. God has placed a choice before all-Deuteronomy 30:19---Life or death-- our actions prove the majority. There are only two kinds of people on earth--- The righteous---the wicked. Not by mortal standards, but by Gods standards.--Jesus taught man needs to live by every utterance from God(spiritual food Daily) as important as sustaining ones physical life with bread.( food)
Too many of these teachers prevalent on earth-2Cor 11:12-15)--

So, the choices that Christians have are these:
1) obey God now and (possibly) suffer while you are on earth, then die (sometimes in some heinous ways), then expect a great life in an unseen, unknown "world" that you accept by faith, or

2) reject God now and (possibly) suffer while you are on earth, then die (sometimes in some heinous ways), but you will not partake in the great life in an unseen, unknown "world" that you accept by faith.

Correct?

 

[kjw47]

So, the choices that Christians have are these:
1) obey God now and (possibly) suffer while you are on earth, then die (sometimes in some heinous ways), then expect a great life in an unseen, unknown "world" that you accept by faith, or

2) reject God now and (possibly) suffer while you are on earth, then die (sometimes in some heinous ways), but you will not partake in the great life in an unseen, unknown "world" that you accept by faith.

Correct?

Each chooses the path they walk---


Learning -why- would be a good start. As well as placing the choices on a scale of value.

70-90 years of living for self now

trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom( Paradise earth)- living to do Gods will now which is disowning oneslf to be a true follower of Jesus-Matt 16:24---Few have.

 

[Jensen]

Gods kingdom is mankind' only remaining hope--it is close. God has placed a choice before all-Deuteronomy 30:19---Life or death-- our actions prove the majority. There are only two kinds of people on earth--- The righteous---the wicked. Not by mortal standards, but by Gods standards.--Jesus taught man needs to live by every utterance from God(spiritual food Daily) as important as sustaining ones physical life with bread.( food)
Too many of these teachers prevalent on earth-2Cor 11:12-15)--

A question for clarification about the only two kinds of people...

Are unbelievers that never read or knew about God....wicked?
Are unbelievers that do know of God but are sinners just as believers are
sinners, as all sin, yet still good moral people .....wicked?

Or are they just unbelievers....

 

[kjw47]

A question for clarification about the only two kinds of people...

Are unbelievers that never read or knew about God....wicked?
Are unbelievers that do know of God but are sinners just as believers are
sinners, as all sin, yet still good moral people .....wicked?

Or are they just unbelievers....

1) yes--one must be doing these--John 17:1-6--John 4:22-24
2)yes-wicked( a worker of iniquity)


even those who believe and do powerful works out of a powerful love for Jesus can be wicked-(a worker of iniquity)Matt 7:21-23

Because 99% are being mislead to partake off the table of demons-1Cor 10:21---( a worker of iniquity)

 

[Big_TJ]

Each chooses the path they walk---


Learning -why- would be a good start. As well as placing the choices on a scale of value.

70-90 years of living for self now

trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of life in Gods kingdom( Paradise earth)- living to do Gods will now which is disowning oneslf to be a true follower of Jesus-Matt 16:24---Few have.

er.. ok. . Does this all mean that my statement above was correct?

And what would someone be doing in the trillions x trillions x trillions of years? Why is this a better option than living a fulfilled life for 70-90 years now?

 

[kjw47]

er.. ok. . Does this all mean that my statement above was correct?

And what would someone be doing in the trillions x trillions x trillions of years? Why is this a better option than living a fulfilled life for 70-90 years now?

Gods kingdom is a cure all basically-- waking up everyday to a loving family, in good health, good mental health--no fear, war, hatred, greed, lusting, etc ---every motive of our human family will be out of love--not stealing, killing. hating,etc.
Gods word teaches--The wolf will eat alongside a lamb( harmony) Plenty of food for all, Ones skin will become fresher than in ones youth( now)
No mourning, outcrys or pain, or death. All united in purpose with Jehovah and his son Jesus.
God only rested creating--he has new things in store.
It will be just as God promised---Eden=Paradise--the new earth.

 

[Big_TJ]

Gods kingdom is a cure all basically-- waking up everyday to a loving family, in good health, good mental health--no fear, war, hatred, greed, lusting, etc ---every motive of our human family will be out of love--not stealing, killing. hating,etc.
Gods word teaches--The wolf will eat alongside a lamb( harmony) Plenty of food for all, Ones skin will become fresher than in ones youth( now)
No mourning, outcrys or pain, or death. All united in purpose with Jehovah and his son Jesus.
God only rested creating--he has new things in store.
It will be just as God promised---Eden=Paradise--the new earth.

Yea, I understand all that. .. But what will we do for all those trillions upon trillions of years? Will we be aging? Or will we all be at the same age, with the same youthful look?

And why would that be better than living a fulfilled life for 70-90 years then seize to exist?

 

[Pegg]

Yea, I understand all that. .. But what will we do for all those trillions upon trillions of years? Will we be aging? Or will we all be at the same age, with the same youthful look?

And why would that be better than living a fulfilled life for 70-90 years then seize to exist?

our bodies will not age the way they do now. Ageing is the process of death coming upon us... we are sick, and from the moment we are born we begin the process of aging leading to death.

When all sickness is removed, this process of ageing will be gone and we will live without ageing.
Revelation 21:4'...and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”