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How can any true Christian accept an Appointing of a gay bishop ?

ZooGirl02

Well-Known Member
Well, the Catholic Church has no problems with appointing gays as Priests.
Seems to me it is merely a matter of time before they make it to Bishop.

Actually, I think the Catholic Church issued some kind of document a while back saying that gays are not to be ordained as priests anymore. I am not entirely sure on this though.

That said, I don't have a problem with having a gay Bishop. I mean, gays should be allowed to hold any position in the Church that a straight person can. I really don't see what the big deal about ordaining a gay person as Bishop is. But then again, I am a liberal/progressive Christian.
 

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Actually, the Bible is not clear.
Thus the reason for more than 38,000 different Christian sects.

It is not that the Bible is not clear. It is that so many choose to falsely call themselves Christians when they are nothing of the sort.
 

Autodidact

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The Bible is quite clear as to what it is saying. Whether you choose to accept what the Bible says is your decision.
I agree. The Bible makes it clear that lesbianism, like slavery, is permissible, and that God punishes unbelievers by making them desire unnatural sex. Whether you choose to accept what the Bible clearly and unmistakably says is your decision.
Do you consider shaving or cutting your hair a sin? The Bible doesn't require Christians to grow a beard, and the law did not require a man to avoid cutting his hair.
Apparently you do not choose to accept what the Bible says.
 

Autodidact

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Personally, I don't accept the appointing of a gay bishop. Of course, this did not happen in the Catholic Church but in the Episcopal Church so I am not too worried.

*Heroically resists temptation to point out what kinds of Bishops Doodle has been forced to accept*
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. (2 Samuel 19:24, 2 Samuel 14:26) So, what did God’s Law mean when it commanded Israelite men not to ‘cut their sidelocks short around’ or “destroy the extremity” of their beards? This was not a command against trimming one’s hair or beard. Rather, it discouraged Israelite men from imitating the extreme religious practices of neighboring pagan nations.—Leviticus 19:27; Jeremiah 9:25, 26; 25:23; 49:32.
So in this case you reject what the Bible says?
In any case, Christians are not under the Law of Moses, so any such prohibition does not apply to Christians. (Neither does keeping the sabbath, offering animal sacrifices, being gay, etc.)
FIFY

So in this case you reject what the Bible says?
 

Autodidact

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It is not that the Bible is not clear. It is that so many choose to falsely call themselves Christians when they are nothing of the sort.

Ah, so other than you, about how many real Christians do you think there are?

btw, does the Bible allow you to call others who consider themselves Christian, non-Christians?

So if I read you right, people who say they're Christian are often liars?
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
The early Christians gave of their possessions voluntarily, and were not coerced into doing so. They saw a need their new brothers had and they filled it. Ananias and his wife died as a judgment from God, but not because they were required to sell their field and give the proceeds to the apostles.


Why did they lie. Because to be a member of the New Testament Church you were expected to share your wealth. They wanted to be in the church and keep their wealth. They wanted to be seen as faithful christians and they were not. This is just how it was for the first 200 years of Christianity.

In the shepherd of Hermas ( A book that was read in Churches and many believed to be scripture) says.

For all luxury is foolish and empty to the servants of God.

In fact, the Bible shows some early Christians were wealthy. (I Timothy 6:17)[/FONT]

This needs to be put into context. Right after this Timothy says the rich should share their wealth. This was expected in the early church.

Read what he said earlier in the same chapter.

8But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. 10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

To really follow Christ you shared your wealth with others. Today you could have billions if you give just 10% you are a great Christian. You could have planes boats and 100s of homes. Greed is ok. Being Gay is not. More picking and choosing what sins we like. Buying Luxury items and not feeding a starving man was seen as the sin murder by omission. Do you really think a murderer is a Christian and a man who loves another man is not?


[/FONT]“A careful review of all the information available [shows] that, until the time of Marcus Aurelius [121-180 C.E.], no Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after becoming a Christian, remained in military service.”—The Rise of ]


I agree.


My point is not to judge. I have two homes and two cars. I am just pointing out that Christians who hit Gays over the head with the bible. Are for the most part just as guilty in not following the teachings of Christ as they are. Lets just go easy on each other.

For me as long as people love and help each other. I couldn't care less about who they love as long as it is an adult.
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. (2 Samuel 19:24, 2 Samuel 14:26) So, what did God’s Law mean when it commanded Israelite men not to ‘cut their sidelocks short around’ or “destroy the extremity” of their beards? This was not a command against trimming one’s hair or beard. Rather, it discouraged Israelite men from imitating the extreme religious practices of neighboring pagan nations.—Leviticus 19:27; Jeremiah 9:25, 26; 25:23; 49:32.
In any case, Christians are not under the Law of Moses, so any such prohibition does not apply to Christians. (Neither does keeping the sabbath, offering animal sacrifices, etc.)
don't you suppose that there were good reasons for banning homosexual acts in that culture that just don't apply in our culture -- just like the haircutting law?
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. (2 Samuel 19:24, 2 Samuel 14:26) So, what did God’s Law mean when it commanded Israelite men not to ‘cut their sidelocks short around’ or “destroy the extremity” of their beards? This was not a command against trimming one’s hair or beard. Rather, it discouraged Israelite men from imitating the extreme religious practices of neighboring pagan nations.—Leviticus 19:27; Jeremiah 9:25, 26; 25:23; 49:32.
In any case, Christians are not under the Law of Moses, so any such prohibition does not apply to Christians. (Neither does keeping the sabbath, offering animal sacrifices, etc.)

I've often wondered why your posts start out in large font, and then shrink to a smaller font. I've wanted to ask why, but never did.

I took the time to do a little web search, and guess what I found? Take a look at this site: In Leviticus 19:27 it says you can't cut your hair or shave? Why not? - Yahoo! Answers
Notice the font type and size - oh - and the exact wording - of the second paragraph of the "best answer":
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. So, what did God’s Law mean when it commanded Israelite men not to ‘cut their sidelocks short around’ or “destroy the extremity” of their beards? This was not a command against trimming one’s hair or beard. Rather, it discouraged Israelite men from imitating the extreme religious practices of neighboring pagan nations.—Leviticus 19:27; Jeremiah 9:25, 26; 25:23; 49:32.

Do you know what plagiarism is? I could be wrong, but I thought that stealing was a no no for a man of your religious bent.

If you don't have the courtesy to compose your own answers, at least do the right thing when you lift an entire paragraph from someone else's work. At the very least, give the author credit, and provide a link.

Absolutely pathetic.
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
Hey rusra - just out of curiousity, how many of your other posts are plagiarized?

I mean, if I went back and did a little digging, would it be 50 percent of your posts? Or only 25 percent?
 

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
As Christians, we have to be reasonable. There are people who are saying we can't pick and choose which laws to keep. But these laws also tell us we have to sacrifice oxen and sheep, that we can't eat pork or shellfish, that women have to sleep outside the village during the menses, and I could go on and on. I have Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers and I know what the laws say.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
As Christians, we have to be reasonable. There are people who are saying we can't pick and choose which laws to keep. But these laws also tell us we have to sacrifice oxen and sheep, that we can't eat pork or shellfish, that women have to sleep outside the village during the menses, and I could go on and on. I have Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers and I know what the laws say.

There is an Idea in Protestant exegesis that the New Testament trumps the Old Testament. Christians are to live by the new covenant the old covenant is for the Jews. So many of the laws are not cared over for that reason.

I do believe you can pick and choose anything you want. I am a Hindu I through out texts I don't like all the time. I just think that not following the major lifestyle expectations of Christ and the apostles, then throwing rocks at people that don't follow a different set of biblical rules, is not in any way rational.

Please don't think that I am accusing you of this type of behavior. It is just a general comment.
 
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David M

Well-Known Member
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. (2 Samuel 19:24, 2 Samuel 14:26) So, what did God’s Law mean when it commanded Israelite men not to ‘cut their sidelocks short around’ or “destroy the extremity” of their beards? This was not a command against trimming one’s hair or beard. Rather, it discouraged Israelite men from imitating the extreme religious practices of neighboring pagan nations.—Leviticus 19:27; Jeremiah 9:25, 26; 25:23; 49:32.
In any case, Christians are not under the Law of Moses, so any such prohibition does not apply to Christians. (Neither does keeping the sabbath, offering animal sacrifices, etc.)

Thanks for confirming the the OT proscriptions from the Laws of Moses about homosexual behaviour no longer apply.

As Christians, we have to be reasonable. There are people who are saying we can't pick and choose which laws to keep. But these laws also tell us we have to sacrifice oxen and sheep, that we can't eat pork or shellfish, that women have to sleep outside the village during the menses, and I could go on and on. I have Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Numbers and I know what the laws say.

No one is saying you can't pick and choose, what is being said is that as soon as you start picking and choosing you cannot claim that being homosexual is wrong due to what is in Leviticus. If a single one of the laws of Moses need no longer be observed without going against god's word then none of them can be claimed as needing to be enforced or you are going against God's word.

Either those laws remain as instructions from God to christians in their entirety or they don't. Knock just one prohibition off the list and you are immediately left with the choice of laws being down to preference and historic inertia, no divine mandate can be claimed from the OT.
 
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Smoke

Done here.
Israelite men of old wore beards of moderate length, and they used a razor to keep them well trimmed. (2 Samuel 19:24, 2 Samuel 14:26)
Those verses don't support your argument.

2 Samuel 19.24: And Mephibosheth the son of Saul came down to meet the king, and had neither dressed his feet, nor trimmed his beard, nor washed his clothes, from the day the king departed until the day he came again in peace.

The phrase here translated "trimmed his beard" would be better translated "trimmed his mustache" -- or even "groomed his mustache."

2 Samuel 14.26: And when he polled his head, (for it was at every year's end that he polled it: because the hair was heavy on him, therefore he polled it:) he weighed the hair of his head at two hundred shekels after the king's weight.

This shows that Absalom shaved his head once a year. He didn't trim his hair or beard, shape them, or "use a razor to keep them neatly trimmed." It also shows that Absalom's practice wasn't common, since the writer felt it necessary to explain why he did it. Also, the reader isn't expected to emulate the behavior of Absalom, though I understand that some Christians may feel more sympathy and admiration for someone who rapes his half-sister and leads an armed rebellion against his father than they do for gay people.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Either those laws remain as instructions from God to christians in their entirety or they don't. Knock just one prohibition off the list and you are immediately left with the choice of laws being down to preference and historic inertia, no divine mandate can be claimed from the OT.

This is it exactly.
 

Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
Also, the reader isn't expected to emulate the behavior of Absalom, though I understand that some Christians may feel more sympathy and admiration for someone who rapes his half-sister and leads an armed rebellion against his father than they do for gay people.


Ouch Knockout This argument is done stick a fork in it.
 
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