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How can banning a natural act be logical?

ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
Just because you are able to do something does not necessarily mean it is good for you. I went into puberty at age 12, but I wasn't ready for sex and I certainly wasn't ready to have a child. I am able to eat desserts for dinner everyday, but I don't think that would be good for me (actually I know it wouldn't).
But, if you don't follow the Bible, why would you worry about it's rules? If you want to change laws you think are unfair, there is a process to do that- it could take a long time, but that is a different issue.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
HonestJoe said:
I do agree that the concept of monogamous marriage is somewhat unnatural though. I think humans are fundamentally pack animals and, like many other primates, could well fall in to an alpha male/harem structure were we completely unrestricted by our social attitudes.
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yes, I agree with that.

Alpha male and harem would be what the natural order dictates, with the rest of the males picking up the strays.

marriage is just a concept to try and avoid this.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
Quintessence said:
Too LOW?
$#@%, if this prohibition was strictly enforced, maybe, just maybe it would have prevented our species from getting so disgustingly overpopulated.
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without marriage the natural order would have had it's way by other means.

War, murder, rape etc.. would have kept the numbers down.

But the marriage idea is just to further the ideology of the church and create a system of inequality and corruption.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
CynthiaCypher said:
You have built a strawman. The Bible doesn't condemn procreation
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sure it does.

It bans procreation outside of marriage.

Thus it is condemning this act for all unmarried people.

Nature intended for animals and humans to mate - so this ideology is going against the Holy edict.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
Hope said:
Perhaps, granting your aforesaid premise again, God knew it would be helpful for keeping our numbers in check...after all, every other species multiplies unhindered unless kept in check by natural predators and other factors---since we have no natural predators, and we are intelligent enough to overcome "other factors," then we needed something else to curb our numbers.
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Nature will take care of the numbers problem.

When the mass of humanity becomes to great, then Nature , with its Holy Force will cull the masses - through its agents of War, Disease, Pestilence and Murder.

marriage will not stop that.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
ChristineES said:
But, if you don't follow the Bible, why would you worry about it's rules? If you want to change laws you think are unfair, there is a process to do that- it could take a long time, but that is a different issue.
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Because its rules are wrong.

The rules are in conflict with Nature's Way.

Rules that conflict with Nature's Way must be rectified by the warriors of Simon and his Holy Force.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
It won't happen for some time yet, not until we have evolved fully.

That is some way off, as can be seen by the way in which we live our lives and run our societies.

The Bible has touched on some points of the Force but is only relevant to its outer shell.

It focuses too much on the good and pure side of man, but overlooks the other realms and darker aspects that we also need to abide by.

The ego of man also has some time to fullly mature.

We are still generally little children in the classroom - perhaps like 7 or 8 year olds at present.

At least another 2000 years is required.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
Nature's Law does not care too much for modern day human morality.

Nature allowed the birth, therefore God has allowed it.

some social issues may have to be addressed depending on the circumstances of the conception though.
 
ChristineES

ChristineES

Tiggerism
Premium Member
nnmartin said:
Because its rules are wrong.

The rules are in conflict with Nature's Way.

Rules that conflict with Nature's Way must be rectified by the warriors of Simon and his Holy Force.
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Speak for yourself. We have reasoning power to be able to decide what is best for us. Why would God give us a brain and not expect us to use it? Even if you don't believe in God, why would you do something you find "natural" if it is going to mess up your entire life or make you suffer needlessly. Since you believe in nature's way, then you should realize that you should believe that nature gave us the brain that I believe God gave us. We ought to use what we have.
 
F0uad

F0uad

Well-Known Member
You use the term nature in a bold way i think personally that Christians belief God made nature and not vice versa.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
averageJOE said:
Thanks for the link.

So martin, this 10 year old is an adult? In your op you say 16. Why?
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I said 16 in the OP to try and avoid this thread degenerating into an argument over consent issues.

But, according to Nature, then any age is acceptable.

Why would God allow a 10year old to give birth if He thought it to be wrong?
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
F0uad said:
You use the term nature in a bold way i think personally that Christians belief God made nature and not vice versa.
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actually this is what I think too.

ie: God made Nature.

I use a capital N here as Nature is an agent of God's work.
 
nnmartin

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
that may be so but at least the kids have been given the gift of life.

by banning sex outside of marriage, we are preventing life being able to flourish.

this goes against Nature's holy order.
 
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