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How can Jesus take responsibility for our sins?

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839311

Well-Known Member
How could Jesus take the sins of humanity upon himself? Is it because God created us imperfect and is therefore responsible for all the sins of humanity, and wanted to make up for it by having his son take responsibility for those sins? But why put his own son through all the pain. An apology would do just fine, I think. I would forgive God. If God told me that he wanted to do more than apologize, and sacrifice his own son, I would advise God against this because its unnecessary. Its just causing unnecessary pain. Eternal life in paradise for everyone would be a far better way to make up for it.

Aren't we responsible for our own sins? Shouldn't we have to do the work in order to try to make things right? How could someone ever feel justified if they didn't take responsibility for their own sins?

Do you want someone else to take responsibility for your own sins? I don't. I don't think its fair for that person to take responsibility for the things that I've done wrong. I don't think its fair to me either. I did the wrongs, so its rightfully my responsibility to try to make up for them.

Would we convict an innocent, good man to life in prison because he wants to take responsibility for someone elses crimes? I think thats extremely unreasonable.
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
He cannot.

Ezekiel 18:20-24

The soul that sins, it shall die; a son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, and a father shall not bear the iniquity of the son; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

And if the wicked man repent of all his sins that he has committed and keeps all My laws and executes justice and righteousness, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

All his transgressions that he has committed shall not be remembered regarding him: through his righteousness that he has done he shall live.

Do I desire the death of the wicked? says the Lord God. Is it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live?

And when the righteous repents of his righteousness and does wrong and does like all the abominations that the wicked man did, shall he live? All his righteous deeds that he has done shall not be remembered; in his treachery that he has perpetrated and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
839311 said:
How could Jesus take the sins of humanity upon himself? Is it because God created us imperfect and is therefore responsible for all the sins of humanity, and wanted to make up for it by having his son take responsibility for those sins? But why put his own son through all the pain. An apology would do just fine, I think. I would forgive God. If God told me that he wanted to do more than apologize, and sacrifice his own son, I would advise God against this because its unnecessary. Its just causing unnecessary pain. Eternal life in paradise for everyone would be a far better way to make up for it.

Aren't we responsible for our own sins? Shouldn't we have to do the work in order to try to make things right? How could someone ever feel justified if they didn't take responsibility for their own sins?

Do you want someone else to take responsibility for your own sins? I don't. I don't think its fair for that person to take responsibility for the things that I've done wrong. I don't think its fair to me either. I did the wrongs, so its rightfully my responsibility to try to make up for them.

Would we convict an innocent, good man to life in prison because he wants to take responsibility for someone elses crimes? I think thats extremely unreasonable.
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Very good post, but in particular I liked this part.
839311 said:
I would forgive God.
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So few people seem willing to forgive “God”. On the one side we have those who refuse to consider the possibility that “God” might need to be forgiven, and on the other side we have those who believe “God” has done wrong but refuse to show any compassion or mercy. The idea of a “God” that needs forgiveness is a concept that many people don’t seem to be ready for. And I think many people need to forgive “God” before they can move on.
 
Arkholt

Arkholt

Non-vessel
According to my understanding and belief:

Christ suffered for our sins. That does not mean that he took responsibility for them. We are still responsible and must do all we can to overcome them. What Christ did is to suffer for our sins so that we need not suffer if we repent and follow him. We can then "work out our own salvation," but with his continual help and guidance. We need that help and guidance, however, because otherwise it would be impossible, since we are weak and imperfect.
 
tarasan

tarasan

Well-Known Member
839311 said:
How could Jesus take the sins of humanity upon himself? Is it because God created us imperfect and is therefore responsible for all the sins of humanity, and wanted to make up for it by having his son take responsibility for those sins? But why put his own son through all the pain. An apology would do just fine, I think. I would forgive God. If God told me that he wanted to do more than apologize, and sacrifice his own son, I would advise God against this because its unnecessary. Its just causing unnecessary pain. Eternal life in paradise for everyone would be a far better way to make up for it.

Aren't we responsible for our own sins? Shouldn't we have to do the work in order to try to make things right? How could someone ever feel justified if they didn't take responsibility for their own sins?

Do you want someone else to take responsibility for your own sins? I don't. I don't think its fair for that person to take responsibility for the things that I've done wrong. I don't think its fair to me either. I did the wrongs, so its rightfully my responsibility to try to make up for them.

Would we convict an innocent, good man to life in prison because he wants to take responsibility for someone elses crimes? I think thats extremely unreasonable.
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Theological failure, with every sentence:facepalm:
 
FlyingTeaPot

FlyingTeaPot

Irrational Rationalist. Educated Fool.
839311 said:
How could Jesus take the sins of humanity upon himself? Is it because God created us imperfect and is therefore responsible for all the sins of humanity, and wanted to make up for it by having his son take responsibility for those sins? But why put his own son through all the pain. An apology would do just fine, I think. I would forgive God. If God told me that he wanted to do more than apologize, and sacrifice his own son, I would advise God against this because its unnecessary. Its just causing unnecessary pain. Eternal life in paradise for everyone would be a far better way to make up for it.

Aren't we responsible for our own sins? Shouldn't we have to do the work in order to try to make things right? How could someone ever feel justified if they didn't take responsibility for their own sins?

Do you want someone else to take responsibility for your own sins? I don't. I don't think its fair for that person to take responsibility for the things that I've done wrong. I don't think its fair to me either. I did the wrongs, so its rightfully my responsibility to try to make up for them.

Would we convict an innocent, good man to life in prison because he wants to take responsibility for someone elses crimes? I think thats extremely unreasonable.
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I'd like to make the diametrically opposite argument. If god gave us free will, why did he even feel the need to take responsibility of our sins? Did that stop any more of our sins? Shouldn't god have foreseen that some people might take advantage of this free pass and commit sins and expect god to take responsibility for them?
 
no-body

no-body

Well-Known Member
I haven't seen anyone else point out the obvious arguments yet: lots of innocent people have died more horrible deaths than Jesus did. He had the luxury of knowing he was a God while he was killed and he already knew what was going to happen so I don't see the "sacrifice" it seems more like a cosmic joke.
 
Thesavorofpan

Thesavorofpan

Is not going to save you.
839311 said:
How could Jesus take the sins of humanity upon himself? Is it because God created us imperfect and is therefore responsible for all the sins of humanity, and wanted to make up for it by having his son take responsibility for those sins? But why put his own son through all the pain. An apology would do just fine, I think. I would forgive God. If God told me that he wanted to do more than apologize, and sacrifice his own son, I would advise God against this because its unnecessary. Its just causing unnecessary pain. Eternal life in paradise for everyone would be a far better way to make up for it.

Aren't we responsible for our own sins? Shouldn't we have to do the work in order to try to make things right? How could someone ever feel justified if they didn't take responsibility for their own sins?

Do you want someone else to take responsibility for your own sins? I don't. I don't think its fair for that person to take responsibility for the things that I've done wrong. I don't think its fair to me either. I did the wrongs, so its rightfully my responsibility to try to make up for them.

Would we convict an innocent, good man to life in prison because he wants to take responsibility for someone elses crimes? I think thats extremely unreasonable.
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According to my understanding Man can't redeem himself. The Hebrews would sacrifice a lamb and let one go in the wilderness to starve to death and that would push it back for a year, but never truly forgive.
 
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Evandr

Evandr

Stripling Warrior
atotalstranger said:
The only thing that was a pity about that hug, is that you weren't topless.
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BINGO! I just knew if you talked long enough you would expose the current foundation of your whole lif's ethos. You are not willing to sacrifice something good for something better because instant gratification isn't part of the deal.
 
MysticSang'ha

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Evandr said:
BINGO! I just knew if you talked long enough you would expose the current foundation of your whole lif's ethos. You are not willing to sacrifice something good for something better because instant gratification isn't part of the deal.
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Looks like you need a pity hug, too. Poor guy... :hugehug:

:p
 
blueman

blueman

God's Warrior
Only a righteous sacrifice could redeem and forgive sins. It took God Himself in the person of Jesus Christ to do it. Through Him we have victory not only for what He did on the cross, but moe importantly, that He rose!
 
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