How can one lose their salvation?

[jasonwill2]

Let's assume one is saved and wants to destroy their salvation.

[SIZE=-1]Mark 3:28-29 and [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Matthew 12:31-32 at a first glance look like a good way, but most of what I hear says that actually means to not believe in Jesus.

Is there any other way to lose your salvation?
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[Terrywoodenpic]

Salvation is never more than a potential. One can not lose that potential.
However Simply believing one is "Saved" no matter what you do is a nonsense.

If You believe in universal Salvation like I do, eventually we shall all be "Saved" (return to God)

Beliefs on "Salvation" are many and Varied, there is no universal agreement on what it means or what is its effect.

As to your question... you can not destroy what you do not yet have.

 

[Thief]

As an assembly...and we are assemblies....
We have the potential to be disassembled.

If the next life is an existence wrapped around peace, then loosing that intent would be the loss of that position.

Then at some point in the future, the decision lays waiting.
Will they, having no desire for peace, be allowed to carry on?

Many faiths have some notion to this effect.
At some point, all that was done against peace will be resolved and the perpetrators will be....no more.

 

[jasonwill2]

To be honest neither of those responses help me. I need to know specifically the perspective that one is saved and they want to lose it.

 

[Thief]

To be honest neither of those responses help me. I need to know specifically the perspective that one is saved and they want to lose it.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

It is a code of behavior... and fair warning.

Don't want to be saved?
Simply undo everything that your hand touches.
Undo every effort your fellow man might endeavor.
Be the Adversary to all...in every way.

And sooner or later...no one will reach out for you.

No longer saved.

 

[jasonwill2]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

It is a code of behavior... and fair warning.

Don't want to be saved?
Simply undo everything that your hand touches.
Undo every effort your fellow man might endeavor.
Be the Adversary to all...in every way.

And sooner or later...no one will reach out for you.

No longer saved.

Just commit evil then? What are you saying?

 

[Thief]

Just commit evil then? What are you saying?

Perhaps you haven't considered what salvation really is.
I have noticed the similarity of the word to another....'salvage'.

Picture yourself in this manner.

'Go out and gather my servants unto Me.'
It is then your effort to do so.

But you don't return with anything less. That would be...'awkward'.
You deliberately pick and choose what you will bring back.

What you return with has been 'saved'.
What you left behind, will sink into corruption.

 

[Bob Dixon]

To be honest neither of those responses help me. I need to know specifically the perspective that one is saved and they want to lose it.

OK, trust me on this one. I'm no religious scholar (I just play one on the Internet), but I know how to lose your salvation.

First, get saved. You know the process. Accept the Lord Jesus into your heart, yada yada yada, blah blah blah. OK.
Second, buy a goat (one with horns), some red robes, a butcher's knife, and an altar.
Then proceed to get some friends together, preferably also people who want to lose their salvation.
You'll have to follow my words carefully now.
Take the goat, sacrifice it on the altar whilst your friends look on and drink wine. Proceed to draw a pentagram on the floor and on the wall whilst chanting the Lord's Prayer backwards. Then, take the goat's head, lift it up and say, "we offer this to you, O Satan." Proceed to engage in some bizarre sex rituals and... bam!
Congratulations, bro! You've just lost your salvation!

Spoiler: Dude...

Can you believe that some people actually think that being a Satanist means you do these things?

 

[jasonwill2]

OK, trust me on this one. I'm no religious scholar (I just play one on the Internet), but I know how to lose your salvation.

First, get saved. You know the process. Accept the Lord Jesus into your heart, yada yada yada, blah blah blah. OK.
Second, buy a goat (one with horns), some red robes, a butcher's knife, and an altar.
Then proceed to get some friends together, preferably also people who want to lose their salvation.
You'll have to follow my words carefully now.
Take the goat, sacrifice it on the altar whilst your friends look on and drink wine. Proceed to draw a pentagram on the floor and on the wall whilst chanting the Lord's Prayer backwards. Then, take the goat's head, lift it up and say, "we offer this to you, O Satan." Proceed to engage in some bizarre sex rituals and... bam!
Congratulations, bro! You've just lost your salvation!

Spoiler: Dude...

Can you believe that some people actually think that being a Satanist means you do these things?

In all seriousness I need to know from a Biblical perspective (my old beliefs) how I might become damned so that I can just let go of the past... but the thing is I was always told that I can't lose salvation but I am sure that according to The Bible there is a way.. .somehow. I've done some research but the most I have seen that says I can loose it didn't have a huge amount of Biblical support. Which is why I asked you guys as I thought someone here might know the relevant passages well enough to tell me either way. The part of it being Biblical is the very important bit.

 

[Thief]

In all seriousness I need to know from a Biblical perspective (my old beliefs) how I might become damned so that I can just let go of the past... but the thing is I was always told that I can't lose salvation but I am sure that according to The Bible there is a way.. .somehow. I've done some research but the most I have seen that says I can loose it didn't have a huge amount of Biblical support. Which is why I asked you guys as I thought someone here might know the relevant passages well enough to tell me either way. The part of it being Biblical is the very important bit.

So, you're seeking damnation?...and this you think to be a new beginning?

Are you then seeking to be forever solitary?.....oblivion?

 

[Bob Dixon]

In all seriousness I need to know from a Biblical perspective (my old beliefs) how I might become damned so that I can just let go of the past... but the thing is I was always told that I can't lose salvation but I am sure that according to The Bible there is a way.. .somehow. I've done some research but the most I have seen that says I can loose it didn't have a huge amount of Biblical support. Which is why I asked you guys as I thought someone here might know the relevant passages well enough to tell me either way. The part of it being Biblical is the very important bit.

Well, you can always blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. That's considered "unforgivable". Traditionally, that means that, once you do this, you'll never be forgiven.

My question is, why do you find it impossible to just... I don't know... move on and not look back?

Spoiler: Don't open this, for your own sake.

Although I'm quite sure that Jesus meant something else. "Unforgivable sin" isn't a very God-like concept, you see.

 

[jasonwill2]

So, you're seeking damnation?...and this you think to be a new beginning?

Are you then seeking to be forever solitary?.....oblivion?

No I wanted to use my old beliefs, which are still somewhat in my subconscious to be used to my advantage to divorce myself from said beliefs more emotionally.

Well, you can always blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. That's considered "unforgivable". Traditionally, that means that, once you do this, you'll never be forgiven.

My question is, why do you find it impossible to just... I don't know... move on and not look back?

Spoiler: Don't open this, for your own sake.

Although I'm quite sure that Jesus meant something else. "Unforgivable sin" isn't a very God-like concept, you see.

Tried that didnt work... is hard to move on. And the verse I found out before I went through kinda meant if you don't believe when you here the good news.. but i did and stuck with Jesus for like 7 years.

I guess I could just try regular moving on but... hmmm has an idea...

Sorry to bother you guys i think i know wht i should do lol dumb me making this topic.

sorry for the disruption/topic

 

[Kathryn]

Jason, Terry is right - you can't lose what you don't yet have. All that stuff about "once saved, always saved" is inaccurate.

As for the question, "Will you be saved?" no one knows the answer to that question and you can drive yourself crazy trying to forecast the future.

I like this quote: There is no "what might have been." There is only "what is." This applies to past, present and future events.

Why are you so hell bent (pardon the pun) to seek damnation? Do you even believe in damnation? What's your definition of the term? For that matter, what's your definition of salvation?

 

[idea]

Jason, Terry is right - you can't lose what you don't yet have.

I agree too.


Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...

you will always be forgiven for those things that you do not understand... and there are clearly a lot of things that you do not understand...

 

[Bob Dixon]

Oh, why don't you dedicate your soul to Satan? It says, in your signature, that you haven't done that yet. Maybe that'll be a good first step!

 

[jasonwill2]

Jason, Terry is right - you can't lose what you don't yet have. All that stuff about "once saved, always saved" is inaccurate.

As for the question, "Will you be saved?" no one knows the answer to that question and you can drive yourself crazy trying to forecast the future.

I like this quote: There is no "what might have been." There is only "what is." This applies to past, present and future events.

Why are you so hell bent (pardon the pun) to seek damnation? Do you even believe in damnation? What's your definition of the term? For that matter, what's your definition of salvation?

I don't believe in Hell, so it isn't an issue.

Oh, why don't you dedicate your soul to Satan? It says, in your signature, that you haven't done that yet. Maybe that'll be a good first step!

I don't want to do that as that is kind of like marriage... if I ever get to that point I want it to be for positive reasons not negative ones. But at any rate I think I know a way that will help but avoid this.

 

[Kathryn]

I don't believe in Hell, so it isn't an issue.

You didn't answer my question at all though.

What's your definition of salvation?

If you don't believe in Hell, just what do you think you're going to be saved from? And if you're not going to be saved from anything, then why are you worried about this (in your opinion) useless salvation from nothing?

 

[jasonwill2]

You didn't answer my question at all though.

What's your definition of salvation?

If you don't believe in Hell, just what do you think you're going to be saved from? And if you're not going to be saved from anything, then why are you worried about this (in your opinion) useless salvation from nothing?

You misunderstand. I don't believe in salvation either. Your confusing how past beliefs affect current beliefs and how they relate in terms of my religion.

For example I have different beliefs now, but sometimes do things that would, according to my old beliefs, be very taboo and or wrong as a means to transcend my old beliefs on a very deep emotional level... this has more to do with applied psychology than belief, and is not unique to my faith in the least.

 

[Kathryn]

You misunderstand. I don't believe in salvation either. Your confusing how past beliefs affect current beliefs and how they relate in terms of my religion.

For example I have different beliefs now, but sometimes do things that would, according to my old beliefs, be very taboo and or wrong as a means to transcend my old beliefs on a very deep emotional level... this has more to do with applied psychology than belief, and is not unique to my faith in the least.

Then I'm sorry - if you don't believe in salvation, why do you want to know how to lose it?

 

[jasonwill2]

Then I'm sorry - if you don't believe in salvation, why do you want to know how to lose it?

I wanted to know how to lose it so that I might have a better understanding of how to carry out that action as to de-sensitize myself to the pain attached to my old beliefs... so that I can not be as angry about it all and therefore I can have more tolerance of Christians.