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How can one put so much stock in the Bible?
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Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
I agree, it is also
Just as stupid as thinking God only communicates through one book...
cardero
Citizen Mod
Would sacrifices be a step forward in the socialistic evolution of humankind and a divine relationship with God or a step back? If we're are still referring to putting stock in the Bible, in your opinion, would this be considered a loss or a gain?
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Heneni
Miss Independent
God can talk through a donkey....so the book says.
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Bware
I'm the Jugganaut!!
Logic is seeing through a facade. Stupidity is recognizing a facade for what it is but ignoring that fact and forcing yourself to believe.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
what does donkeys have to do with me asserting the idea that God only communicates through one book is absurd?
Is it a thinly veiled insult?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
missed that part, you missed the part of your own writing that states part of thepurpose of the temple is to enable the killing of criminals?
Am I confused?
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
In my opinion, it would be a step forward. Losing sacrifices was the step back.
missed that part, you missed the part of your own writing that states part of thepurpose of the temple is to enable the killing of criminals?
Am I confused?
I did not say that the purpose of the Temple is to enable the killing of criminals. I simply said that without the Temple (which means without the Sanhedrin as well) we cannot administer the death penalty under Jewish law.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Fact...you are going to die. Ignoring that little detail is ignorant as proven by the entire human race. Nobody is forcing you to believe you are going to die. Yet you are going to die. According to you, one would be stupid to force yourself to believe something. If you believe in death, you are stupid, because you are forcing yourself to believe it.
heneni
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
But you can with the temple....
In effect you're sayiong, once a more coherant Judaism is "brought back" through faith and through a temple
We have the right to kill people.....:areyoucra
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Wandered Off
Sporadic Driveby Member
I don't think you can "force yourself to believe" anything. In fact, and this goes back to the question in the OP, I think belief is not in your direct, conscious control.
If it were, you could simply choose to believe something you "know" to be absurd. You could believe, for example, that I'm in the room with you whacking you with a sock full of lint. You may be able to imagine what that would be like, but I seriously doubt you can sincerely believe it. If you can, then you may have a mental disorder that prevents your distinguishing fantasy from reality.
People believe what they believe because it fits into their perception of the world. Some kind of external catalyst is necessary to undermine your world view and change your beliefs.
That's not to say you have no control, just that the control is subconscious. You certainly can influence your beliefs by acting as a gatekeeper of what information you examine, but once that information enters your psyche, it's not in your direct, conscious control whether you will believe it.
Bware
I'm the Jugganaut!!
No you aren't reading with your ears. LISTEN. Never once did I say it would be stupid to believe something. Never once did I say I don't believe in God. I said I don't believe in the Bible. I said the Bible is filled tons and tons of fallacies. I said it's stupid to believe in fallacies (I used the word facade, wouldnt' want to confuse you). I said logic is seeing through a facade so that you can seek what you believe is the truth.
blueman
God's Warrior
How do you know that it didn't happen?
Bware
I'm the Jugganaut!!
You are correct sir. Which proves my point, that I just made in the above post. Why would you chose to believe something you "know" to be absurd? What I meant by "force your self to believe" is that it seems to me completely absurd that people could read some of these things and know they are absurd, yet they seem still to end up believing them. It's like reading in a book that the world is flat, then you sail AROUND the world and see a globe and learn geography that proves to you without a shadow of a doubt that the world is a sphere. You then "know" it is round but because you refuse to believe that something in this book is wrong, you reject the spherical world.
It will be a few days till I can respond taking a road trip. Laters.
Heneni
Miss Independent
So you believe in god? Which god? The one 'not in the bible'. Well if the god in the bible makes you uncomfortable, the god you will find on the other side of life, wont make you happy either. As i said before, there is so much truth in the bible that to toss it away thinking you have somehow enlightened yourself by doing so is naive. Does god need a book to reveal himself? No, but how is he going to help you see the real god from all the other 'gods' that want your attention? The bible is suppose to help you, so that when these 'other gods' try to sway you to their side, and your judgement is clouded and your spiritual intuition weak, you can use the bible to distinguish who's who in the zoo of gods.
The bible is full of fallacies....yeh...ok. I'm just guessing here...but you actually have found this 'god' of yours to be different to the bible, and therefore the bible must therefore 'go'. And im saying unless the god you have found is the same as the one in the book, you have not found the real god at all. WHY? Because the bible was written by people who knew god. What makes you so special to throw that away? Because you know him to be something else? Because there are contradictions in the bible you feel that god is contradicting? Does it matter whether solomon had 2000 horses or 200 000. Does that make god any less or more worthy?
EDIT: You sure you are agnostic?
Heneni
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TheKnight
Guardian of Life
But you can with the temple....
In effect you're sayiong, once a more coherant Judaism is "brought back" through faith and through a temple
We have the right to kill people.....:areyoucra
I am saying that once the conditions are right, we will again be able to administer justice to it's fullest.
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Right, once the temple is built, you can kill people for commiting crimes
With God's blessing..........
And Jews wonder why, I, as a Jew am anti Zionism...
TheKnight
Guardian of Life
Right, once the temple is built, you can kill people for commiting crimes
With God's blessing..........
And Jews wonder why, I, as a Jew am anti Zionism...
So you don't believe in a system of justice?
Mr Cheese
Well-Known Member
Justice is not the issue
its building a temple....and as a consequence of building the temple, and restoring Judaism....
It becomes ok to execute people....
Its like saying:
"God is great, thank you God I love you.
Thank you for allowing me to shoot murderers in the head
If I hadnt built this temple and restored my faith
I understand it wouldnt be cool to execute people.
But I have my temple
I can proceeed with the the killing"
Its like saying the Shema is proclaiming its ok to execute people!
"Hear O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One
Thank you for permitting me to shoot sinners in the head"