How can people maintain sanity by applying shamelessly double standards

[BrightShadow]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Those hypocrites!

There are some who are gaining from the wars. I know as per (OP) you are asking about the rest of the folks who are not gaining anything out of this conflicts except they like to stick to their guns.

Yeah! Why aren't they rooting for a compromise?

For those folks (and they are many here) - I would say...

Their perception is their reality. But it is false one.

Someone will soon prove them wrong.

These (unwilling to compromise) folks have build a cocoon around themselves with a false notion that Putin will not stop at Ukraine.


I told some of them - the road block that Putin faced in Ukraine will convince him to stay put within his own territory for rest of his life - after all his name is "Put" "in". He is not a dumb guy! But they didn't believe me. They want more death and destruction.


Ukraine had enough time to stand up while ignoring Russia's concerns or any historical claims Russia may have.
They failed so far and it is time to seek other method to solve this conflict. A 'compromise' is needed.


The same data generator that is suggesting to these war supporters that Putin will try to expand - should also generate some data that shows that Putin can call a 'cease-fire' right now and decide to go back and attack again - anyhow.

So - why not go for a permanent solution and get something in writing when their is still a chance?

I know - a paper is worthless either way. If Putin chooses to protest again after returning - he could do that anyhow. It is time to take a chance.

So, agree to compromise - give him some land - and move on.



Now here is the serious part:

The parts of Ukraine that speaks Russian - have family members in mainland Russia. If those specific parts remain with Ukraine when Ukraine joins with NATO then what is stopping many Russians to go to Ukraine to meet their family members - claim residency and move on to other parts of the Europe?
Think about that.

Do the European countries want more migrants? More from Russia mainland as well?
Russia cannot afford to lose more people either.
So work for mutual benefit.

End the war by giving Putin the land he wants. Let the Russian speaking people stay with Russia.

I am surprised that Dems are so dumb that they don't see that.

So I am with you - I don't get it either!

 

[Revoltingest]

There are some who are gaining from the wars.

Putin is.
Russian soldiers & families, not so much.

 

[Viker]

If you have a source, I would be glad...
to know he was a theist.

He was a theist. Just not in the sense of a traditional religionist.

Kant’s Philosophy of Religion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy).

 

[stvdv]

I fear God just as much as I fear Voldemort,
the Easter Bunny, Krampus, & Bigfoot.
At least none of them make loony claims
about having Da Truth.

You missed my point
I was talking about God defined as Truth
And fear as in respect for the Truth

Has nothing to do with Bigfoot, whoever that is

 

[Revoltingest]

You missed my point
I was talking about God defined as Truth
And fear as in respect for the Truth

Has nothing to do with Bigfoot, whoever that is

How can you claim to be an educated genius
while being unaware of Bigfoot? Criminy, man!

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Kant would have vomited. He said: "The starry sky above me and the moral law within me".
The moral law: apply one single law, one single standard without bias or corruption.

I think the reality might be, at least in america, that we aren't really as familiar with Ukraine and Russia as we are with Israel and Gaza. From those latter places, we may have more people living in america with ties to them, to tell us about them, inform us, and inspire us to take one side, or the other. With russia and ukraine, well I suspect that aren't that many people from there who really settled in america, so in consequence, it's rarer to hear passionate arguments about that, regarding which side we should take.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think the reality might be, at least in america, that we aren't really as familiar with Ukraine and Russia as we are with Israel and Gaza. From those latter places, we may have more people living in america with ties to them, to tell us about them, inform us, and inspire us to take one side, or the other. With russia and ukraine, well I suspect that aren't that many people from there who really settled in america, so in consequence, it's rarer to hear passionate arguments about that, regarding which side we should take.

Yes.
So propaganda from either party prevails over the truth.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yes.
So propaganda from either party prevails over the truth.

well at its foundation, there are a couple general causes of war, and it's maybe not all that complicated.. It usually involves resource strain, or a want of more resources. I don't necessarily think that one has to sort through a lot of complicated information, in order to get to some harder truths about it. A lack of space, or a shrinking of it, can cause conflict, pure and simple. If all these people, on all sides, had open frontiers in which to settle, there would be far less chance of war

 

[stvdv]

How can you claim to be an educated genius
while being unaware of Bigfoot? Criminy, man!

Sneaky reply

 

[LuisDantas]

Really...dear doublestandardists...why do you do that?

You tell us.

 

[Estro Felino]

You tell us.

I apply one standard.

 

[Nakosis]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Kant would have vomited. He said: "The starry sky above me and the moral law within me".
The moral law: apply one single law, one single standard without bias or corruption.

I imagine they have demonize living under the Russian government to the point that death is the better option.

A real difference is there is political suppression of anti-government sentiment.
However Zelenskyy has his own form of political suppression going on.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/1110...-tv-outlets-and-dissolved-rival-political-par

So not really at this point a lot of difference living under under Russian vs Ukrainian rule for most people.
Just if you have a vested interest in the political power of the country.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sneaky reply

Thank you!

 

[Estro Felino]

I imagine they have demonize living under the Russian government to the point that death is the better option.

A real difference is there is political suppression of anti-government sentiment.
However Zelenskyy has his own form of political suppression going on.
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/08/1110...-tv-outlets-and-dissolved-rival-political-par

So not really at this point a lot of difference living under under Russian vs Ukrainian rule for most people.
Just if you have a vested interest in the political power of the country.

Exactly...
so I would like to understand why they think Putin is a dictator, whereas Zelenskyy is a hero.

They are both dictatorial rules.

 

[Revoltingest]

Exactly...
so I would like to understand why they think Putin is a dictator, whereas Zelenskyy is a hero.

They are both dictatorial rules.

You're the one calling Zelensky a "hero".
You're the one not calling Putin an "invader".

 

[Foxfyre]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Really... I have seen people apply two different standards on two wars. The Gazan War and the Ukrainian War.
In the first they wanted it to stop to save people's lives.
In the second they wanted it to escalate into a world conflict, and keep using Ukrainians as cannon fodder, because their goal is to dethrone Putin and install a puppet state in Moscow.

My God...can you sleep at night?


I couldn't.

Kant would have vomited. He said: "The starry sky above me and the moral law within me".
The moral law: apply one single law, one single standard without bias or corruption.

I
I think it is possible to apply law/standards without bias or corruption but it is impossible to do that unless the applicable variables are included.

One example is from a movie:
The prosecution attempted to discredit the witness for with the information that he was found guilty of statutory rape which we all likely agree is an acceptable law. The defense appealed to the jury with the information that the statutory rape was with a seventeen year old very close to being eighteen, and when she turned eighteen the defendant married her and they have remained happily married for more than thirty years. Would that change the perception of the jury as to whether the witness can be assumed to be credible/honorable in his testimony?

In the Hamas/Israeli war, Hamas was the aggressor pledged to kill every Jew and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Israel has fought back to eradicate a threat to its people and its very existence. What both sides have done in that regard is of course worthy of discussion, perhaps even debate, but that is the situation that exists regardless of any dynamics that led up to the situation.

In the Russia/Ukraine war, Russia was the aggressor intent on illegally seizing territory in the Ukraine and possibly intending to take the entire Ukraine. The Ukraine has fought back to defend its people and perhaps its very existence as a country. What both sides have done in that regard is of course worthy of discussion, perhaps even debate. But that is the situation that exists regardless of any dynamics that led up to the situation.

In both cases bodies of innocents continue to pile up and other collateral damage is massive. In my opinion, the only logical position one can honorably take is for the hostilities to stop with all sides reaching an honorable position that will end the carnage.

 

[Augustus]

I don't think it's really a matter of giving in to the most aggressive party, although that, in and of itself, is a subjective judgment. It's more a matter of pointing out the splinter in another's eye while ignoring the log in your own. Or, throwing stones from glass houses. In other words, you can't condemn someone as a murderer if you're a murderer yourself.

That is to say, if a government chooses to oppose another government in the world, they should tell the real reason for doing so, not spew out a bunch of disingenuous sanctimony and lies. To not tell the truth is unethical and immoral.

what is “the truth” that you think is being hidden?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I can't understand.
I can't.

Don't sell yourself short. Every time I note the Putin / Wagner Group / North Korea axis against the Ukraine you prove yourself to be masterful at evasions and double standards.

 

[Stevicus]

what is “the truth” that you think is being hidden?

The real reason for the government's position on the international events taking place. Since the double standard proves that the official pretext is false, then we know that they're lying.

 

[Estro Felino]

Don't sell yourself short. Every time I note the Putin / Wagner Group / North Korea axis against the Ukraine you prove yourself to be masterful at evasions and double standards.

This war could have ended 2 years ago.