How can the Jew reject, Jesus, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah?

[CG Didymus]

The Book of Daniel originated as a set of folktales among the Jewish community in the late 4th to early 3rd centuries BCE.[6] At that time a lamb was sacrificed twice daily, morning and evening, on the altar of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem, but Antiochus IV, the king of the Greek Seleucid dynasty which then ruled Palestine, put an end to it in 167 BCE.[7][8]

Abomination of desolation - Wikipedia

And I that's would I've heard also. So does anything significant happen 2300 evenings and morning or days or years after that? But, one other thing, was the Temple rededicated and the daily sacrifice reinstituted after Antiochus desecrated it?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No the Baha'is are in Haifa. For Christians and Jews, I think, Jerusalem is still very much a major player in unfulfilled prophecy.

Such is the quandary of Faith CG.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

And I that's would I've heard also. So does anything significant happen 2300 evenings and morning or days or years after that? But, one other thing, was the Temple rededicated and the daily sacrifice reinstituted after Antiochus desecrated it?

The Temple is the Manifestation of God.

"Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book. Draw ye nigh unto it. This is that which profiteth you, could ye but comprehend it. Be fair, O peoples of the earth! Which is preferable, this, or a temple which is built of clay? Set your faces towards it. Thus have ye been commanded by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Follow ye His bidding, and praise ye God, your Lord, for that which He hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, is the Truth. No God is there but He. He revealeth what He pleaseth, through His words “Be and it is”.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

Some Answered Questions

"..... The Book of Daniel fixes the period between the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the martyrdom of Christ at seventy weeks
21 for it is through the martyrdom of Christ that the sacrifice is ended and the altar destroyed. This prophecy thus refers to the advent of Christ.... "

Regards Tony

But I'm asking about chapter 7 that has the ram and the goat and one of them, I think it was the goat, were the Greeks. Then one of the Greek leaders puts a stop to the daily sacrifice. As Trailblazer found such a thing did happen. It was Antiochus. But then the Jews revolted against him as won. And did the Jews reestablish the daily sacrifice after they had won?

 

[CG Didymus]

The Temple is the Manifestation of God.

"Thus have We built the Temple with the hands of power and might, could ye but know it. This is the Temple promised unto you in the Book. Draw ye nigh unto it. This is that which profiteth you, could ye but comprehend it. Be fair, O peoples of the earth! Which is preferable, this, or a temple which is built of clay? Set your faces towards it. Thus have ye been commanded by God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Follow ye His bidding, and praise ye God, your Lord, for that which He hath bestowed upon you. He, verily, is the Truth. No God is there but He. He revealeth what He pleaseth, through His words “Be and it is”.

Regards Tony

Okay, how was "the temple" desecrated in 457BC and was the daily sacrifice stopped? So the Temple in that day was still Moses? Or was it Buddha? And what does the daily sacrifice symbolize?

 

[Trailblazer]

For Christians and Jews, I think, Jerusalem is still very much a major player in unfulfilled prophecy.

And they will be waiting till hell freezes over for their interpretations of those prophecies to be fulfilled.
I see that as rather sad, but that is how beliefs are. They rarely ever change in spite of the evidence that refutes them.

 

[Trailblazer]

And I that's would I've heard also. So does anything significant happen 2300 evenings and morning or days or years after that? But, one other thing, was the Temple rededicated and the daily sacrifice reinstituted after Antiochus desecrated it?

I do not know if that date I sent you is correct, apparently it isn't correct according to Tony.
I do not know the Bible history, what happened and when....
The significant happenings were in 1844 and 1852 and 1863.

You might like this article I found yesterday, more light shed on the subject.

A New Understanding of the Perplexing Prophecies of Daniel

 

[Trailblazer]

Such is the quandary of Faith CG.

and the quandary of Bible interpretation....One can make the Bible prophecies mean anything they want them to mean in order believe they are right about what will happen in the future.......Meanwhile Rome burns while Jews and Christians wait for the Messiah they have made in their own image, and they don't give a damn.

It seems to me that the only people concerned with what is going on in America are the agnostics and atheists.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Okay, how was "the temple" desecrated in 457BC and was the daily sacrifice stopped? So the Temple in that day was still Moses? Or was it Buddha? And what does the daily sacrifice symbolize?

What have your studies found in relation to those questions?

Regards Tony

 

[BilliardsBall]

Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I believe that the disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven, in like manner.

The verse does not say that the disciples saw a body go up. It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes perfect sense since angels can see spirits.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of the human temple. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.

Did Jesus ask Thomas to place His hands inside the holes in a literal body?

The Bible is explicit that Jesus resurrected bodily and that believers will receive new bodies when they resurrect. It is the blessed hope of 1 Cor 15 and denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus is against orthodox Christian doctrine.

 

[Trailblazer]

The Bible is explicit that Jesus resurrected bodily and that believers will receive new bodies when they resurrect. It is the blessed hope of 1 Cor 15 and denying the bodily resurrection of Jesus is against orthodox Christian doctrine.

Why do you believe that there is no bodily resurrection? Bahai people believe in the Bible, and the Bible mentions a bodily resurrection. Is the resurrection physical or spiritual? - creation.com

Trailblazer said:

From your website:
When Jesus was raised from the dead, His body was transformed into a resurrection body that could never die again. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul tells us that we can look forward to the exact same type of resurrection. In other words, Jesus experienced a human resurrection. This is a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die.

There is nothing in the Bible that supports such a belief. There is no such thing as a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die. It is not in the Bible, it is a misinterpretation of scripture. Below is a post I posted to another Christian a few months ago:

There is no such thing as a glorious spiritual body of incorruptible light. This is not in the Bible anywhere.

There is no such thing as a physical body that is transformed into an immortal body. It is not in the Bible anywhere. This is a Christian belief that came about because the Bible was misinterpreted. ALL these misconceptions about a Resurrection Body came about because Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

It is clear and plain what the Bible SAYS.

There are physical bodies and spiritual bodies, as Paul said. The physical body is the source of all corruption as the Bible says, it is the source of dishonor, it is weak, and that is because the physical body is subject to sin.

The spiritual body is incorruptible because spirit can never die. Paul said that the body is raised in glory and raised in power and that is because the spiritual body has glory and power. The soul (spirit) is glorified and has power because it was created by God.

Jesus said that spirit and flesh are not equivalent. The spirit quickens, the flesh profits nothing. The flesh profits nothing because it is subject to sin and it is mortal, not everlasting.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Baha’is believe that souls go to heaven and take on a spiritual body, which is the same thing as what Paul says in 1st Cor: We are raised in a spiritual body because only spiritual bodies can enter heaven.

1st Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The verse above says nothing about the physical body being changed into a glorified body that cannot die. The verses above clearly state that there are two kinds of bodies, a natural body and a spiritual body; we are sown in a natural body and we are raised in a spiritual body.

 

[Skywalker]

Trailblazer said:

From your website:
When Jesus was raised from the dead, His body was transformed into a resurrection body that could never die again. In 1 Corinthians 15, Paul tells us that we can look forward to the exact same type of resurrection. In other words, Jesus experienced a human resurrection. This is a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die.

There is nothing in the Bible that supports such a belief. There is no such thing as a physical body, that differs from our fallen mortal bodies in that it will never age, suffer disease, or die. It is not in the Bible, it is a misinterpretation of scripture. Below is a post I posted to another Christian a few months ago:

There is no such thing as a glorious spiritual body of incorruptible light. This is not in the Bible anywhere.

There is no such thing as a physical body that is transformed into an immortal body. It is not in the Bible anywhere. This is a Christian belief that came about because the Bible was misinterpreted. ALL these misconceptions about a Resurrection Body came about because Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead.

It is clear and plain what the Bible SAYS.

There are physical bodies and spiritual bodies, as Paul said. The physical body is the source of all corruption as the Bible says, it is the source of dishonor, it is weak, and that is because the physical body is subject to sin.

The spiritual body is incorruptible because spirit can never die. Paul said that the body is raised in glory and raised in power and that is because the spiritual body has glory and power. The soul (spirit) is glorified and has power because it was created by God.

Jesus said that spirit and flesh are not equivalent. The spirit quickens, the flesh profits nothing. The flesh profits nothing because it is subject to sin and it is mortal, not everlasting.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Baha’is believe that souls go to heaven and take on a spiritual body, which is the same thing as what Paul says in 1st Cor: We are raised in a spiritual body because only spiritual bodies can enter heaven.

1st Corinthians 15

35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The verse above says nothing about the physical body being changed into a glorified body that cannot die. The verses above clearly state that there are two kinds of bodies, a natural body and a spiritual body; we are sown in a natural body and we are raised in a spiritual body.

Adam and Eve were never meant to age, suffer disease, or die.

Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. People were meant to live on the earth forever. Adam and Eve were not created in heaven. An exclusive spiritual body is only meant to be temporary. Souls in heaven with a spiritual body will eventually return to the earth in physical bodies that also have a spiritual aspect. A physical body living forever on the earth would be a glorified body that cannot die. I believe that we are raised in a spiritual body but will also return to earth in natural bodies.

 

[Trailblazer]

Adam and Eve were never meant to age, suffer disease, or die.

Jesus said that the meek shall inherit the earth. People were meant to live on the earth forever. Adam and Eve were not created in heaven. An exclusive spiritual body is only meant to be temporary. Souls in heaven with a spiritual body will eventually return to the earth in physical bodies that also have a spiritual aspect. A physical body living forever on the earth would be a glorified body that cannot die. I believe that we are raised in a spiritual body but will also return to earth in natural bodies.

You can believe whatever you want to, until you die and find out what is true......

None of that is in the Bible. It is just Christian beliefs concocted from misinterpretations of Bible verses and misunderstandings of what the Bible means.

 

[Skywalker]

You can believe whatever you want to, until you die and find out what is true......

None of that is in the Bible. It is just Christian beliefs concocted from misinterpretations of Bible verses and misunderstandings of what the Bible means.

Do you think it's important whether heaven is spiritual or physical, or what Adam and Eve were originally meant to be like? Its not what makes one a Christian or not.

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you think it's important whether heaven is spiritual or physical, or what Adam and Eve were originally meant to be like? Its not what makes one a Christian or not.

I agree it is not what makes one a Christian or not.
If it matters, it matters because it is good to know the truth about your eternal destination.
Otherwise, one could be in for a big surprise.

 

[Skywalker]

I agree it is not what makes one a Christian or not.
If it matters, it matters because it is good to know the truth about your eternal destination.
Otherwise, one could be in for a big surprise.

What does what one believes about a physical or a spiritual heaven have to do with salvation?

 

[Trailblazer]

What does what one believes about a physical or a spiritual heaven have to do with salvation?

Nothing.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Did Jesus ask Thomas to place His hands inside the holes in a literal body?

According to the Chrisitan legend in the gospels, yes.

 

[dybmh]

ew.

 

[CG Didymus]

And they will be waiting till hell freezes over for their interpretations of those prophecies to be fulfilled.
I see that as rather sad, but that is how beliefs are. They rarely ever change in spite of the evidence that refutes them.

What religious beliefs have never changed? And Jerusalem is still right in the middle of everything in the Middle-East. And so are the Jews.