How can theists/atheists justify racism?

[LiveBetterLife]

Too sensitive of a topic to even discuss much anymore. Too easy to twist words, and turn anything into racism.

A white man can be married to a black woman, have a kid of their own, and adopt a kid from each background ... never speak a word....and still somehow get called and perceived as a racist.

Is it racist to have an honest acknowledgement the different biological abilities that some in a particular race (in general) have as opposed to another race (in general) in certain areas, professions, etc?

According to the dude who went berserk at me in this thread, it is.

Some people seem to have adopted a love of calling others racist nowadays whether it is warranted or not.

 

[David J]

Theists believe all humans are descendants of the first couple, created by God. Atheists believe all life evolved from a common ancestor that appeared millions of years ago and evolved into different life forms, including ours.
Despite our many differences, theists and atheists both believe we have common ancestors. So, if we both believe we come from the same DNA pool, how can anyone justify racism? How ca we see other human beings as inferior, less deserving or less worthy?

It's genetic and environmental upbringing influence.

No racist contemplates your argument.

Not saying I'm racist

 

[Road Less Traveled]

According to the dude who went berserk at me in this thread, it is.

Some people seem to have adopted a love of calling others racist nowadays whether it is warranted or not.

I have no problem myself acknowledging that there are others in any race or a particular race who will outperform, run circles around me in a lot of areas and abilities.

Heck, they can then call me the derogatory name for my race and I’d just agree with them and smile.

I suppose that in times past awhile ago, in youth.. I would have not seen it that way though, and participated a little in the divide and conquer, being ignorant to what I was doing.

 

[bobhikes]

True, but they're angry for the wrong reasons. While it's perfectly acceptable to be an grey at someone who did something bad/evil, we shouldn't get angry because that person was born in a certain place or has a particular skin tone. Anger has a place in society, and many times is justified, but being angry at a entire group of people we don't even know based on prejudice is completely insane, and in my opinion, against human nature.

Obviously it is not against human nature, in fact racism is caused by human nature. Tribes bonded with each other survived and other tribes were competitors and wiped out if possible. War again a human enemy has never stopped and there is much hatred against each side. It is only logic that can override our human nature. Logically we need to stop using race as a term only then will people have a harder time defining those they blame or are afraid of.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Theists believe all humans are descendants of the first couple, created by God.

Some believe that way, but not all of them.

Atheists believe all life evolved from a common ancestor that appeared millions of years ago and evolved into different life forms, including ours.

I cannot speak for atheists, but some theists including many Christians accept the theory of evolution on the merits of logic and evidence.

Despite our many differences, theists and atheists both believe we have common ancestors. So, if we both believe we come from the same DNA pool, how can anyone justify racism? How ca we see other human beings as inferior, less deserving or less worthy?

I try my best not to consider others inferior based on racial or cultural differences. Philosophically, we are all equals. I consider most of the issues that result in racists views are really tied to differences in education and economics.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I made no racist remarks.

You then made this remark:

"Them white people are good at conquering but black people are only good at dribbling balls!"

Then you claimed that I was the one who said it.

Wake up to yourself. Racism is a serious charge and you shouldn't go throwing around accusations as recklessly as you apparently do; often people who do this sort of thing have serious issues regarding psychological security regarding their own identity and place in the world - does that sound like you?

I'm not interested in your word salad and can't take you seriously with your silly avatar, anyway. You should consider writing in a clearer style because it's difficult to make out what you're trying to say. If I misunderstood you, you could clarify.

 

[LiveBetterLife]

I'm not interested in your word salad and can't take you seriously with your silly avatar, anyway. You should consider writing in a clearer style because it's difficult to make out what you're trying to say. If I misunderstood you, you could clarify.

Your quick and ill-founded attempt to label me as a racist says a lot about your character presuming you were sincere in your posts.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Your quick and ill-founded attempt to label me as a racist says a lot about your character presuming you were sincere in your posts.

Instead of continuing to whine, you could clarify.

 

[Vee]

Obviously it is not against human nature, in fact racism is caused by human nature. Tribes bonded with each other survived and other tribes were competitors and wiped out if possible. War again a human enemy has never stopped and there is much hatred against each side. It is only logic that can override our human nature. Logically we need to stop using race as a term only then will people have a harder time defining those they blame or are afraid of.

Let me explain what I meant by that. If you put a bunch of kids in a playground, they'll play with each other. Children don't care about their buddies having a different skin color, hair color or the brand of their clothes. It's irrelevant to them. There will be the odd squabble about who's turn it is to jump on the trampoline, or who the ball belongs to, but racism is not in their nature.
Children only start to have racist behaviors after the adults put the idea in their minds. Until mom and dad tell them not to play with that other child because their parents have a funny accent or they live in the poor part of town, kids are just going to be kids and play with each other.
The separation of people was invented by people with an agenda and spread until it became true, not because it is real, but because it's convenient to some.
When some European nations started selling dark skinned African people they had to justify that trade. They couldn't just say that all they cared about was profit so they said those people from Africa were inferior and stupid, therefore it was ok to own them as objects and treat them as dirt, and once it was spread wide enough it became generally accepted. Many still think that way today.
Race is used as an excuse and it hides the real problem: corruption.

 

[LiveBetterLife]

Instead of continuing to whine, you could clarify.

I haven't whined at all. I've made my points. You're getting boring now.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You're getting boring now.

I've felt the same towards you for a bit now. I still have no idea what you're trying to say and you don't seem interested in clarification so I'm pretty much done talking to you. Continue whining if you must.

 

[LiveBetterLife]

I've felt the same towards you for a bit now. I still have no idea what you're trying to say and you don't seem interested in clarification so I'm pretty much done talking to you. Continue whining if you must.

Rough day, eh? I'm guessing an even rougher life.

In future, I'll suggest chilling out your racist remarks and avoiding hysterics when posting on an internet forum.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Rough day, eh? I'm guessing an even rougher life.

In future, I'll suggest chilling out your racist remarks and avoiding hysterics when posting on an internet forum.

Have a nice weekend.

Quit with the armchair therapist bs. It just makes you look like an *******. You don't know me or anything about me. You're a noob and coming off as a troll so far.

Let's see if you can answer a simple question: Do you believe that European colonialism and the rate of black people in basketball and football ( ) are due to biological factors?

Simple yes or no answer.

 

[LiveBetterLife]

Let's see if you can answer a simple question: Do you believe that European colonialism and the rate of black people in basketball and football ( ) are due to biological factors?

Simple yes or no answer.

Genetic, social and geopolitical factors, yes (re: colonialism).

Do you believe the NBA is predominantly made up of black players just because black people happen to be more interested in basketball nowadays, as you previously implied?

 

[LiveBetterLife]

Quit with the armchair therapist bs. It just makes you look like an *******. You don't know me or anything about me. You're a noob and coming off as a troll so far.

You're the only poster in this thread who seems to be taking things personally so far.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Genetic, social and geopolitical factors, yes (re: colonialism).

Do you believe the NBA is predominantly made up of black players just because black people happen to be more interested in basketball nowadays, as you previously implied?

You didn't answer my question about black people and basketball.

As I mentioned before, professional used to be mostly Jews and other white people, so something happened to make it mostly popular among blacks. Whatever happened appeared to have happened around the '60s or '70s, which seems to be when basketball became more popular among black people in America. So I don't think the rate of black people who play basketball is because of race.

And, no - I don't think European colonialism was due to biological racial factors. That idea makes no sense as there is no "white" or "European" "race" (same with ideas of a "black race" and so on).

 

[Audie]

According to the dude who went berserk at me in this thread, it is.

Some people seem to have adopted a love of calling others racist nowadays whether it is warranted or not.

If a person wants to call names, "racist" is a fav.
as it tends to put the other on the defensive,
where some other name calling will get you a
fist to the nose.

 

[Estro Felino]

Many Europeans believe in the Volksgeist.. which can be considered a more tangible and credible concept than any deity.

 

[bobhikes]

Let me explain what I meant by that. If you put a bunch of kids in a playground, they'll play with each other. Children don't care about their buddies having a different skin color, hair color or the brand of their clothes. It's irrelevant to them. There will be the odd squabble about who's turn it is to jump on the trampoline, or who the ball belongs to, but racism is not in their nature.
Children only start to have racist behaviors after the adults put the idea in their minds. Until mom and dad tell them not to play with that other child because their parents have a funny accent or they live in the poor part of town, kids are just going to be kids and play with each other.
The separation of people was invented by people with an agenda and spread until it became true, not because it is real, but because it's convenient to some.
When some European nations started selling dark skinned African people they had to justify that trade. They couldn't just say that all they cared about was profit so they said those people from Africa were inferior and stupid, therefore it was ok to own them as objects and treat them as dirt, and once it was spread wide enough it became generally accepted. Many still think that way today.
Race is used as an excuse and it hides the real problem: corruption.

Have you ever read Lord of the Flies, children that are taken care of and do not have to struggle for survival will play with other children without a care. Street children or children left to their own demise quickly determine who are friends and who are the enemy's and bias will prevail. Look to all the children in gangs in the US just where the wrong color and they will kill you.

 

[viole]

Theists believe all humans are descendants of the first couple, created by God. Atheists believe all life evolved from a common ancestor that appeared millions of years ago and evolved into different life forms, including ours.
Despite our many differences, theists and atheists both believe we have common ancestors. So, if we both believe we come from the same DNA pool, how can anyone justify racism? How ca we see other human beings as inferior, less deserving or less worthy?

Well, first of all your classification is not correct. Most theists I know accept common descent, while I know some atheists who do not believe in it.

And coming from the same DNA pool does not entail that a bit of racism cannot find a justification. For instance, chimps share a huge percentage of our genes pool, and I would consider them different from me, not necessarily worse. True, we are both apes, but in this case the species are different.

So, origins are not relevant. It is about belonging to the same species. Well, in this case there is no real rational justification for racism. Also because I am not at all certain whether there is something like different races of homo sapiens.

Ciao

- viole